Proposal: Martin Necas for Guhle + Kovacevic + 2nd

[Benstheman]

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no one else gets it done. if your want necas you have to give to get. canes are competing not rebuilding.

hat's why we are not good trade partners.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Nice clips. Not really sure 4 plays over the course of a season solidifies it but glad he's got some highlights to his name.

Why post when you know nothing about the player. He is playing on his wrong side and doesn't get PP time and looks like a 1st pair d. You don't get that for a winger. And certainly not a top centre like Suzuki.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

@pth2 - I can’t imagine what is even mildly humourous about my post.

Kaiden Guhle would be the no. 6 dman on the Canes at best. There’s no punchline there

But presumably Carolina isn't going to be able to keep all those d or why would they be interested in one.

 

[Baksfamous112]

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So where do Habs posters think Guhle would be on the Cane's today and heading into playoffs? Who's he bumping out of Top 4. Is he Top Pair on the Canes today?

He would be #3 behind Pesce and Slavin.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

He would be #3 behind Pesce and Slavin.

This is the most clueless post of the thread.

Pesce is honestly closer to our no. 6 right now.

Slavin Skjei Burns are our top 3. Orlov, Pesce Chatfield are our next 3. If you think Brett Pesce is out no. 2 d-man you're out to lunch.

Kaiden Guhle is maybe our 6 but most likely our 7. It's not even close to debatable.

Why post when you know nothing about the player. He is playing on his wrong side and doesn't get PP time and looks like a 1st pair d. You don't get that for a winger. And certainly not a top centre like Suzuki.

It's all good man... we don't even want Guhle. We have Morrow and Nikishin coming soon. We are all good.

This is a terrible assessment.

Provide any sort of argument that Kaiden Guhle is better in any way than Slavin, Burns, Skjei, Orlov, Pesce, Chatfield.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

This is a terrible assessment.

As a LHD, do you think he would play in Carolina over Slavin or Skjei? Or even Orlov? It's doubtful. With Burns and Pesce as RHD, Brind'amour isn't going to play a LHD on the Right side.

He's only 22 though so he very well could be as good or better than those guys down the road. I can see why MTL would not want to trade him.

 

[Baksfamous112]

This is the most clueless post of the thread.

Pesce is honestly closer to our no. 6 right now.

Slavin Skjei Burns are our top 3. Orlov, Pesce Chatfield are our next 3. If you think Brett Pesce is out no. 2 d-man you're out to lunch.

Kaiden Guhle is maybe our 6 but most likely our 7. It's not even close to debatable.


Provide any sort of argument that Kaiden Guhle is better in any way than Slavin, Burns, Skjei, Orlov, Pesce, Chatfield.

That’s a very very hot take. How about YOU provide any sort of arguments that Burns, Skjei, Orlov or Chatfield are better than Guhle?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

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So where do Habs posters think Guhle would be on the Cane's today and heading into playoffs? Who's he bumping out of Top 4. Is he Top Pair on the Canes today?

Completely irrelevant. Canes aren't trading for him now nor would they. They are a contender so they would only want a developing d like Guhle in the off season if they are losing defensemen. They have Morrow, I believe, to fill in if they lose d before the end of the season.

 

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That’s a very very hot take. How about YOU provide any sort of arguments that Burns, Skjei, Orlov or Chatfield are better than Guhle?

- They all have more goals except Orlov who is one behind
- They all have more assists and points... some twice as many
- They all have better +/-
- Guhle has the 6th worst +/- on his own team
- All of CAR defensemen are +5 or more
- Guhle averages less SH TOI per game than Savard and Matheson so he's not even the 'go to' guy for that
- They all have better overall point share numbers than Guhle
- Canes defenders are 7, 13, 17, 48, 62, 87 in Defensive Point Share
- Guhle is 168 in Defensive Point Share

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- CAR is #2 best PK % in the league
- MTL is #7 worst PK % in the league
- CAR is #3 best PP % in the league
- Guhle doesn't even really play PP
- CAR is #1 fewest shots against in the league
- MTL is #3 most shots against in the league
- CAR is #5 most shots/game for in the league
- MTL is #6 worst shots/game for in the league
- MTL is #4 best in goals allowed per game
- MTL is #6 worst in goals allowed per game

How many more things do you need?

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Completely irrelevant. Canes aren't trading for him now nor would they. They are a contender so they would only want a developing d like Guhle in the off season if they are losing defensemen. They have Morrow, I believe, to fill in if they lose d before the end of the season.

We have TDA as our #7. He's not the same type of player as Guhle at all, but he knows our system and we know have to pair him to succeed in the right situations. If multiple D-men go down then sure, there might be an issue. That's most likely every team with defense or goalies.

 

[Czechboy]

If it makes the Guhle fans feel better.. he'd slot into my Oil's Top 4 quite easily but that is a low bar.

Ek - Bouch
Nurse - Guhle
Kulak - Ceci
VD

 

[Baksfamous112]

- They all have more goals except Orlov who is one behind
- They all have more assists and points... some twice as many
- They all have better +/-
- Guhle has the 6th worst +/- on his own team
- All of CAR defensemen are +5 or more
- Guhle averages less SH TOI per game than Savard and Matheson so he's not even the 'go to' guy for that
- They all have better overall point share numbers than Guhle
- Canes defenders are 7, 13, 17, 48, 62, 87 in Defensive Point Share
- Guhle is 168 in Defensive Point Share

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- CAR is #2 best PK % in the league
- MTL is #7 worst PK % in the league
- CAR is #3 best PP % in the league
- Guhle doesn't even really play PP
- CAR is #1 fewest shots against in the league
- MTL is #3 most shots against in the league
- CAR is #5 most shots/game for in the league
- MTL is #6 worst shots/game for in the league
- MTL is #4 best in goals allowed per game
- MTL is #6 worst in goals allowed per game

How many more things do you need?

So you’re using team stats of a rebuilding team (-50 goal diff) and a contender (+52 GF) to calculate the impact of a single player? That’s bold.

According to your “stats”, Skjei and Burns would be much better than Seider and on par with Orlov and Chatfield? Would he be relegated to your bottom pairing and even maybe be healthy scratch once in a while?

 

[General Fanager]

no one else gets it done. if your want necas you have to give to get. canes are competing not rebuilding.

Habs dont care....Guhle or Suzuki are not available.

Need perspective, he's top pair on one of the worst teams in the league. There is no one on the Canes D core that would sit for him. He might, I stress might be the 7th D ahead of D'Angelo in Carolina

I needed a good laugh...thanks

 

[General Fanager]

- They all have more goals except Orlov who is one behind
- They all have more assists and points... some twice as many
- They all have better +/-
- Guhle has the 6th worst +/- on his own team
- All of CAR defensemen are +5 or more
- Guhle averages less SH TOI per game than Savard and Matheson so he's not even the 'go to' guy for that
- They all have better overall point share numbers than Guhle
- Canes defenders are 7, 13, 17, 48, 62, 87 in Defensive Point Share
- Guhle is 168 in Defensive Point Share

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- CAR is #2 best PK % in the league
- MTL is #7 worst PK % in the league
- CAR is #3 best PP % in the league
- Guhle doesn't even really play PP
- CAR is #1 fewest shots against in the league
- MTL is #3 most shots against in the league
- CAR is #5 most shots/game for in the league
- MTL is #6 worst shots/game for in the league
- MTL is #4 best in goals allowed per game
- MTL is #6 worst in goals allowed per game

How many more things do you need?

Using team stats for a bottom of the league team vs a real contender is just a silly argument.


Im not even sure why its an argument. Guhle is NOT available.....

But presumably Carolina isn't going to be able to keep all those d or why would they be interested in one.

Check The Canes capfriendly page. There is an awful lot of red on the defense in the next 2 years and little chance they can resign them all.....Thats why they would look for younger quality dmen.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Habs dont care....Guhle or Suzuki are not available.

yet

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

So you’re using team stats of a rebuilding team (-50 goal diff) and a contender (+52 GF) to calculate the impact of a single player? That’s bold.

According to your “stats”, Skjei and Burns would be much better than Seider and on par with Orlov and Chatfield? Would he be relegated to your bottom pairing and even maybe be healthy scratch once in a while?

Using team stats for a bottom of the league team vs a real contender is just a silly argument.


Im not even sure why its an argument. Guhle is NOT available.....


Check The Canes capfriendly page. There is an awful lot of red on the defense in the next 2 years and little chance they can resign them all.....Thats why they would look for younger quality dmen.

I was asked for stats that show how CAR D is better than Guhle. In essentially every single measure they surpass him, and generally by a lot. These Dmen playing great is what leads to great defensive team stats. Also show that Guhle is not even performing all that well compared to the rest of his team. He's a 'top pair D' on a terrible MTL team. Habs fans claim he's s defensive specialist while he doesn't get top PK usage and has a bottom +/- compared to his teammates. Compelling stuff.

Please Keep Guhle.

We. Don't. Want. Or. Need. Him. We. Didn't. Start. This. Thread.

 

[Baksfamous112]

I was asked for stats that show how CAR D is better than Guhle. In essentially every single measure they surpass him, and generally by a lot. These Dmen playing great is what leads to great defensive team stats. Also show that Guhle is not even performing all that well compared to the rest of his team. He's a 'top pair D' on a terrible MTL team. Habs fans claim he's s defensive specialist while he doesn't get top PK usage and has a bottom +/- compared to his teammates. Compelling stuff.

Please Keep Guhle.

We. Don't. Want. Or. Need. Him. We. Didn't. Start. This. Thread.

Which you didn’t provide.

It’s ok. You’re not going anywhere near Guhle anyway, especially not for a Winger like Necas

 

[pth2]

Which you didn’t provide.

It’s ok. You’re not going anywhere near Guhle anyway, especially not for a Winger like Necas

Dude, he thinks Guhle is maybe worth a mid-round pick, and Montreal should move him to get out from under his contract. Save your breath.

 

[General Fanager]

I was asked for stats that show how CAR D is better than Guhle. In essentially every single measure they surpass him, and generally by a lot. These Dmen playing great is what leads to great defensive team stats. Also show that Guhle is not even performing all that well compared to the rest of his team. He's a 'top pair D' on a terrible MTL team. Habs fans claim he's s defensive specialist while he doesn't get top PK usage and has a bottom +/- compared to his teammates. Compelling stuff.

Please Keep Guhle.

We. Don't. Want. Or. Need. Him. We. Didn't. Start. This. Thread.

It was said on page 1 that Guhle is not available yet here you are on page 8 still arguing about him.

It doesnt matter if you want or need him or started this thread. He isn't available.


btw I could easily argue that The Canes need him or guy(s) like him. There is an awful lot of UFAs on D for you guys in the next 2 years. I am willing to bet that they cant resign them all and will need quality guys with low cap hits

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

It was said on page 1 that Guhle is not available yet here you are on page 8 still arguing about him.

It doesnt matter if you want or need him or started this thread. He isn't available.


btw I could easily argue that The Canes need him or guy(s) like him. There is an awful lot of UFAs on D for you guys in the next 2 years. I am willing to bet that they cant resign them all and will need quality guys with low cap hits

We don't need to re-sign them all. We have elite young D prospects coming in Morrow and Nikishin.

I would have no problem with bringing Guhle into the mix for the future but he's definitely not needed so urgently as to give up a player like Necas for.

Please keep Guhle and sign him to a 20 year impossible deal to make sure he stays in MTL for his entire HOF worthy career. That would be the smart move.

Which you didn’t provide.

It’s ok. You’re not going anywhere near Guhle anyway, especially not for a Winger like Necas

Every stat imaginable shows that every Canes D-man is better than Guhle. At this point I just have to believe you can't actually read.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Dude, he thinks Guhle is maybe worth a mid-round pick, and Montreal should move him to get out from under his contract. Save your breath.

They don't have jokes where you're from do they? Every Habs fan was pumping up Guhle balloons like he was the next coming of Bobby Orr so I MADE A JOKE that he was maybe worth a mid round pick.

Guhle is a fine young D man who plays well for his age. I don't know his exact value but it's probably a 10-15 pick in the first round + a sweetener. He's not getting a lottery pick and he'd be worth more than where he was drafted. Young players are hard to gage and he plays on a team that absolutely stinks so him being the best or near best of a very weak group isn't going to impress many.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Truthy truthfulness either makes you laugh or makes you cry....either way, can't argue with the truth.

the truth ? Guhle today woudlnt play in the top 4 Canes have a great dcorp but no way Kaiden doesnt play over D’Angelo or Chatfield

Seems like people forget Guhle just turned 22 the kid hasnt even reached his potentiel yet he will be a great dmen for us for the next decade he does it all on the ice and he captained all his juniors teams and Team Canada so im sure he has great leadership qualities also

 

[Mrb1p]

@pth2 - I can’t imagine what is even mildly humourous about my post.

Kaiden Guhle would be the no. 6 dman on the Canes at best. There’s no punchline there

Hes better than all your D's /Slavin.

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So where do Habs posters think Guhle would be on the Cane's today and heading into playoffs? Who's he bumping out of Top 4. Is he Top Pair on the Canes today?

Hes better than Carolina D's /Slavin.

 

[L4br3cqu3]

I was asked for stats that show how CAR D is better than Guhle. In essentially every single measure they surpass him, and generally by a lot. These Dmen playing great is what leads to great defensive team stats. Also show that Guhle is not even performing all that well compared to the rest of his team. He's a 'top pair D' on a terrible MTL team. Habs fans claim he's s defensive specialist while he doesn't get top PK usage and has a bottom +/- compared to his teammates. Compelling stuff.

Please Keep Guhle.

We. Don't. Want. Or. Need. Him. We. Didn't. Start. This. Thread.

What the f*** are you even doing here then, enlightening the pleb ?

You're the definition of 'screaming in a bucket'.

 

[Mrb1p]

I was asked for stats that show how CAR D is better than Guhle. In essentially every single measure they surpass him, and generally by a lot. These Dmen playing great is what leads to great defensive team stats. Also show that Guhle is not even performing all that well compared to the rest of his team. He's a 'top pair D' on a terrible MTL team. Habs fans claim he's s defensive specialist while he doesn't get top PK usage and has a bottom +/- compared to his teammates. Compelling stuff.

Please Keep Guhle.

We. Don't. Want. Or. Need. Him. We. Didn't. Start. This. Thread.

Ah, our apologies.

Its actually Matheson that you need ! In fact, he'd be, by far, your best defender, right ?
He would be
First in points
2nd in goals
First in TOI
First in PP points
First in shots
3rd in EVP
He'd be first in PK minutes!
He'd be firts in offensive point shares !

Ya ? Matheson for Necas straight up ? I think maybe you should add, amirite ?

Your stats don't mean shit, man. Let alone the fact that Guhle is 22 and he's carrying Matheson around on his off side, he's the much, much more valuable piece.

Last year for Slavin:

Guhle last game :

Guhle is nearing #1 level. He doesn't get PP time, for some reason. I suspect to low-ball his contract value this summer. He is genuinely amazing, and this is coming from someone that wasn't happy the Habs picked him in 2020.


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