Marner and Nylander vs Horvat and Boeser

[Martin Skoula]

He is better defensively than anyone on this list, though.

Also he's tracking to crack 60 points this year.

I don't get how a guy that's been so good this year is getting bashed so hard.

Sometimes I question if certain fans have any sort of ability to evaluate hockey talent.

Horvat hasn't broken 50% CF in his entire career lmao, he's not good defensively. He tries hard and looks like he should be good at defense, but he gets buried at even strength.

He's doing better this season but Nylander's outperforming him against the same caliber of competition even though he's getting harder usage by zone starts.

Being gritty and playing PK =/= being good defensively at 50n5.

 

[lawrence]

yeah surely it has nothing to do with the leafs dusting them off twice in a row.

let us know when horvat gets 60pts...its his what 4th/5th try?

the leafs boys did it as rookies

leafs duo has this

You guys and your stats stats, higher points = better player mentality. Shaking my head right now. Just because a player had a solid rookie year over another player it doesent mean he is will be better for a long time, or a player that made the nhl quicker. Eg is Sergei samsonov vs joe Thornton’s rookie year. Justin Williams and gaborik first 4 seasons >>>>> sedins first 4 seasons.

 

[Addison Rae]

This is Horvat's first year getting leaned on as a go to guy, meaning he's gotten significantly more power play time and finally a winger with high end offensive potential. This notion that he's clearly the worst guy on the list is garbage, as of right now in terms of on ice value he's probably the best. He was the #1 centre on a team that was in a playoff position before he got injured.

Horvat likely tops out as a ~65 point two-way guy, that oozes intangibles. A guy that is an excellent #2 centre on a championship team. That's an extremely important player, he's obviously not as flashy as the previous 3 but he will just as effective if not more at actual ice hockey.

 

[DFF]

Horvat likely tops out as a ~65 point two-way guy, that oozes intangibles. A guy that is an excellent #2 centre on a championship team. That's an extremely important player, he's obviously not as flashy as the previous 3 but he will just as effective if not more at actual ice hockey.

I didnt know he is on a trade block

 

[Addison Rae]

I didnt know he is on a trade block

Literally have no idea what this means?

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Canucks have lost 3 straight games since Horvat's injury. Brock Boeser has scored in every game & has 3 of the Canucks 4 goals in that timeframe.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

I'm actually surprised at how little love Horvat is getting here. He's probably the best player of the bunch.

I'll go with the Canucks duo but by the slimmest of margins.

Message when Horvat has a better season than Marner or Nylander rookie years, he's in year 4 and still hasn't.

 

[member 105785]

I didnt know he is on a trade block

He was saying that on a championship caliber team Horvat would be an elite 2C like Kesler, O'Reilly, Carter, Stastny, etc

 

[Ainec]

Message when Horvat has a better season than Marner or Nylander rookie years, he's in year 4 and still hasn't.

Horvat this season

> Nylander, Marner's last season

We'll see how many more games Canucks will lose with him out. We were somehow in a wild-card spot

 

[Volica]

Horvat this season

> Nylander, Marner's last season

We'll see how many more games Canucks will lose with him out. We were somehow in a wild-card spot

Without Horvat, they're going to struggle.
It doesn't bode well in the NHL losing your 1C.

 

[naruto]

Without Horvat, they're going to struggle.
It doesn't bode well in the NHL losing your 1C.

Horvat is a 1C? since when?

 

[Hugh Mungus]

Message when Horvat has a better season than Marner or Nylander rookie years, he's in year 4 and still hasn't.

those 9 extra points really do mean a lot to you huh?

 

[Hugh Mungus]

Horvat is a 1C? since when?

he was in a first line role on a playoff team and was excelling, canucks will fall right into the basement without him, cant say the same for nylander and marner.

 

[naruto]

he was in a first line role on a playoff team and was excelling, canucks will fall right into the basement without him, cant say the same for nylander and marner.

Cancuks are a playoff team? Since when?

 

[Hugh Mungus]

Cancuks are a playoff team? Since when?

s***, forgot to look at your name before i replied

forget i said anything

 

[The List Of Jericho]

those 9 extra points really do mean a lot to you huh?

Well productivity is important in the NHL, it's not all hopes and dreams....

 

[The List Of Jericho]

he was in a first line role on a playoff team and was excelling, canucks will fall right into the basement without him, cant say the same for nylander and marner.

The Leafs were dead last in the league without the big three, what are you on about?

 

[member 105785]

Horvat is a 1C? since when?

he said losing YOUR 1C, even if the argument is made that Horvat isn't a 1C, he's still 1C on the Canucks, even on an awful team someone has to be the 1C.

 

[Weast]

Great poll. Slight edge to Vancouvers duo because I think that Boeser is a monster

 

[naruto]

s***, forgot to look at your name before i replied

forget i said anything

IDC but Canucks are not a playoff team... no wonder you chose not to answer.

 

[Hugh Mungus]

Well productivity is important in the NHL, it's not all hopes and dreams....

...my point clearly blew over your head, i was trying to say their point difference last year was 9 which imo is a pretty small gap

 

[The List Of Jericho]

...my point clearly blew over your head, i was trying to say their point difference last year was 9 which imo is a pretty small gap

It didn't but you seem to highlight Horvat's current production but conveniently forget that he's in year 4 in the NHL, his rookie numbers were no where close to Nylander or Marner and the gap was quite big.

 

[Hugh Mungus]

It didn't but you seem to highlight Horvat's current production but conveniently forget that he's in year 4 in the NHL, his rookie numbers were no where close to Nylander or Marner and the gap was quite big.

horvat was also not given the offensive opportunity that was gifted to nylander, and was light years better than nylander defensively in his rookie season

also you seem to regard horvat as some old man but conveniently forget that hes only a year older than nylander...

 

[The List Of Jericho]

horvat was also not given the offensive opportunity that was gifted to nylander, and was light years better than nylander defensively in his rookie season

also you seem to regard horvat as some old man but conveniently forget that hes only a year older than nylander...

What gift was this? I sure hope your not implying his success was fully do to Auston Matthews....Nylander had 13 points in 22 games on a Leaf team before Matthews or Marner that was much worse than Canucks team Horvat was on. No one is saying he's an old man, I'm simply making a point that his production is increasing but it wasn't very good to start.

 

[farshi]

What gift was this? I sure hope your not implying his success was fully do to Auston Matthews....Nylander had 13 points in 22 games on a Leaf team before Matthews or Marner that was much worse than Canucks team Horvat was on. No one is saying he's an old man, I'm simply making a point that his production is increasing but it wasn't very good to start.

much worse is a stretch. Last and third last respectively, 75pts 69pts.

toronto actually scored more goals that year