MacKinnon for the Hart

[Sky04]

Yea the number 2 scorer is such a lazy argument. Also, Rantanen’s production advantage on Point at ES is basically just a few secondary assists, and while he’s more productive on the PP, Kucherov also gets to play with Stamkos on the PP, who has clearly regressed at ES but is still an elite PP finisher.

Ok and Mackinnon benefits significantly more playing with Makar who is a far better offensive defenseman than Hedman at this point. Hedman's really just picking up points from Kucherovs plays. Can't imagine the space could get playing with someone who can actually move on blueline and get shots through.

Give Kucherov Rantanen, Drouin and Makar and he'll produce the exact same or more. Sit there with a straight face and tell Mackinnon could do more with Point, Stamkos and Hedman. Yeah exactly.

 

[CanadienShark]

since your name was bozzo I assumed they were yours

You're back to not making sense. Go to bed and dream up some better insults. Please. You're just embarrassing yourself.

 

[therealdeal]

I personally hope MacKinnon wins it, but I could easily argue for Kucherov being way more important to his teams success.

Seems like a year that both guys easily could win it and deserve it. Flip a coin.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

I personally hope MacKinnon wins it, but I could easily argue for Kucherov being way more important to his teams success.

Seems like a year that both guys easily could win it and deserve it. Flip a coin.

70 goals incoming. Mvpapi70

 

[A1LeafNation]

Imagine looking back and you see 2 guys hit 100 assists, 1 guy hits 70 goals, and none of those 3 win the Hart.

Mackinnon is the Hart trophy favorite up until Matthews/McDavid/Kucherov breakthrough.

 

[Wings4Life]

I think MacKinnon will win it, and he would be my pick as well. Just a fantastic all round player who is very clutch.

 

[Avsfan1921]

Ok and Mackinnon benefits significantly more playing with Makar

No no no, head on over to the Norris thread if you need enlightenment on this topic. Mackinnon is the reason Makar is where he’s at. Without Mack, he would be second pairing at best and that alone should show how valuable Mackinnon is. He can take a second pairing defenseman and turn him into a Norris contender. Kuch can’t even do this for Hedman. He’s not as valuable.

*All information has been verified by stats. STATS I SAY!!!

 

[Warh1ppy]

Mack will probably win it and that's justified.

Without Kucherov, the Bolts are still in the playoffs.
Without McJesus the Oilers are still probably a playoff team.
Without Matthews the Leafs are still probably a playoff team.
Without Pasta the Bruins are still probably a playoff team.

The Hart goes to the player that is most essential to their teams success period, the end all be all reason a team is in the playoffs.

Low key suggesting Quinn Hughes should get some votes because the top 5 candidates for the Hart are all there for a reason based on their scoring prowess, but their teams would still be there without them by and large. But without Quinn Hughes Vancouver is fighting for a playoff spot or a top 5 pick.

Not saying he will win or should win, just saying he should be part of the conversation.

 

[User9992]

Mack will probably win it and that's justified.

Without Kucherov, the Bolts are still in the playoffs.
Without McJesus the Oilers are still probably a playoff team.
Without Matthews the Leafs are still probably a playoff team.
Without Pasta the Bruins are still probably a playoff team.

The Hart goes to the player that is most essential to their teams success period, the end all be all reason a team is in the playoffs.

Low key suggesting Quinn Hughes should get some votes because the top 5 candidates for the Hart are all there for a reason based on their scoring prowess, but their teams would still be there without them by and large. But without Quinn Hughes Vancouver is fighting for a playoff spot or a top 5 pick.

Not saying he will win or should win, just saying he should be part of the conversation.

Are you sane? LOL

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Are you sane? LOL

Even saying the Oilers are in the playoffs without McDavud is questionable considering their start....Kucherov kept the lightning alive when everybody thought they were done at the start of the year , hedman playing some of the worst hockey of his career

 

[User9992]

Even saying the Oilers are in the playoffs without McDavud is questionable considering their start....Kucherov kept the lightning alive when everybody thought they were done at the start of the year

People just keep underrating Kuch here. It's becoming hilarious.

 

[Warh1ppy]

Are you sane? LOL

Kucherov is an absolute beast and has been unreal this year. But I believe (IMO only) that the bolts would be fighting for a playoff spot still. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe not. His stats are unreal this year but the Bolts are still a solid team with a Vasilevsky behind them and they're my dark horse in the east

 

[User9992]

Kucherov is an absolute beast and has been unreal this year. But I believe (IMO only) that the bolts would be fighting for a playoff spot still. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe not. His stats are unreal this year but the Bolts are still a solid team with a Headman and a Vasilevsky behind them

Vasy has been awful this season and didn't even play first half of the season. Hedman isn't the same anymore. Makar is far better than him.

 

[gritdash60]

Matthews will get the Hart, as he should. Im not a Toronto fan, but 69 or whatever he ends up with is so crazy you cant compete with it.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

This year's Hart Trophy race has already been decided, the voters are going to definitely give it to MacKinnon.

 

[eviohh26]

Mack will probably win it and that's justified.

Without Kucherov, the Bolts are still in the playoffs.
Without McJesus the Oilers are still probably a playoff team.
Without Matthews the Leafs are still probably a playoff team.
Without Pasta the Bruins are still probably a playoff team.

The Hart goes to the player that is most essential to their teams success period, the end all be all reason a team is in the playoffs.

Low key suggesting Quinn Hughes should get some votes because the top 5 candidates for the Hart are all there for a reason based on their scoring prowess, but their teams would still be there without them by and large. But without Quinn Hughes Vancouver is fighting for a playoff spot or a top 5 pick.

Not saying he will win or should win, just saying he should be part of the conversation.

Without Kucherov, the Bolts are still in the playoffs. - Not a chance
Without McJesus the Oilers are still probably a playoff team. - Even worse than TB. Look at their start.
Without Matthews the Leafs are still probably a playoff team. - 50/50 Prob not
Without Pasta the Bruins are still probably a playoff team. - Prob still make the playoffs .

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Matthews will get the Hart, as he should. Im not a Toronto fan, but 69 or whatever he ends up with is so crazy you cant compete with it.

Sorry, but goals shouldn't just trump anything else. Otherwise, you're basically saying a playmaker is never and can never be more valuable than a goal scorer.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

From what ive read the order will be
Mack
Kuch
Matthews
Mcdavid
Crosby

 

[gritdash60]

Sorry, but goals shouldn't just trump anything else. Otherwise, you're basically saying a playmaker is never and can never be more valuable than a goal scorer.

Goals dont trump anything else, but when you do 70 of them it does.

 

[Hoek]

 

[authentic]

Goals dont trump anything else, but when you do 70 of them it does.

Also being one of the best defensive forwards which some are still avoiding the reality of.

 

[GoldenKnight]

MacKinnon finished strong with a multi-point game and 140 points to go along with his 51 goals.

I can see him winning the Hart with the season he's had.

 

[Zwui21]

Points in games against Top 6 teams of East and West:
McDavid - 25 games, 33 points.
MacKinnon - 29 games, 37 points.
Kucherov - 29 games, 61 points.

 

[tucker3434]

Points in games against Top 6 teams of East and West:
McDavid - 25 games, 33 points.
MacKinnon - 29 games, 37 points.
Kucherov - 29 games, 61 points.

These guys finished neck and neck in points, so it's a zero sum argument. Why wasn't Kucherov better against worse teams? Does he not try in games against poorer opponents?

 

[Voight]

each of the top 4 guys should get a trophy

the rocket for matthews
the ross for kuch
the hart for mack
the lindsy for mcdavid

easy peasy

I don't see McDavid winning the Lindsay.