LW/RW Nikolay Goldobin (2014, 27th, SJS; 2017 trade, VAN)

[IComeInPeace]

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think this kids game will transition well to the NHL.

He's highly skilled, but I don't think he's highly skilled enough to offset his high risk/little focus on defense type of play.

I really hope I'm wrong though.

 

[Atas2000]

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think this kids game will transition well to the NHL.

He's highly skilled, but I don't think he's highly skilled enough to offset his high risk/little focus on defense type of play.

I really hope I'm wrong though.

That's what he gets for choosing NA over home. Will probably spend another 2 useless years in the minors to become useless in any league.

 

[PG Canuck]

He's falling further and further, and losing his spot each and every passing day. Too good for the AHL, not good enough for the NHL. Usually, that means a career overseas.

 

[CraigBillington]

That's what he gets for choosing NA over home. Will probably spend another 2 useless years in the minors to become useless in any league.

I'm curious why you think this only happens with Russians...

 

[docbenton]

He's falling further and further, and losing his spot each and every passing day. Too good for the AHL, not good enough for the NHL. Usually, that means a career overseas.

He's not too good for the AHL, last year to end the year, even though he scored some goals, his game in the AHL was not good at all. His problem isn't defense, it's the lack of offensive tempo and strength on the puck, bad decisions at times as well. Too often not even in the play.

He's still a young guy, 2014 pick, I say let him develop in the AHL and see what he becomes. Speed and strength will help him. Right now he's not an NHL player, but he does have the scorer's touch, including a blistering and lightning quick release on his shot, and some decent hands and creativity.

 

[M2Beezy]

Too bad. Looks like Sharks roasted Benning

 

[Debrincat93]

little harsh.. can has a ton of potential and can still turn it around. not sure why people are writing him off already, very asinine.

 

[AstoriaIceNinja]

little harsh.. can has a ton of potential and can still turn it around. not sure why people are writing him off already, very asinine.

Agree with this sentiment, it's far too early to give up on him.

 

[elitepete]

Was not a fan of this trade from day 1. Goldobin is soft as butter, and is utterly atrocious on the defensive side of the game. Doesn't give a crap about defense at all.

I think he will be in the KHL in a year.

 

[GetFocht]

He still has excellent offensive skill and has put up 2 points in 3 games in the pre-season. The overall traded ended up being Goldobin, Petrus Palmu, and Kristoff Gunnarsson for Hansen.

Palmu might make this trade worthwhile.

 

[Dump Itch]

Too bad. Looks like Sharks roasted Benning

Not really. Sharks didn't win the cup, gave up a young player, and drafted lower. Hansen is getting old. Don't see how this is a roast.

 

[JTmillerForA1stLOL]

Fair value for the assets involved. We weren't going to get a sure-fire high end prospect for Hansen. A boom or bust skilled forward prospect is pretty much what I was expecting and pretty much exactly what we got.

The picks were a bonus and maybe they'll work out.

I'm not sure what people were expecting in return for Hansen? You're not getting a Keller or a Chabot for someone like Hansen.

 

[Debrincat93]

Was not a fan of this trade from day 1. Goldobin is soft as butter, and is utterly atrocious on the defensive side of the game. Doesn't give a crap about defense at all.

I think he will be in the KHL in a year.

But honestly, come on.. why does the defensive side always matter? The game needs to focus sometimes on players and their strengths. Pierre Maguire, while most hate him, is a very very smart guy. He talked about Goldy one day and could not have said it better. Obviously not verbatim but went on to say that when you're that immensely skilled, you grow up with the puck all the time; never chasing it. The kid always had the puck, he never had to learn to get it back. He never had to play responsible hockey (until probably Jrs but lets be honest, that didnt happen either).

Either play tough love with him, sit his ass down with Travis and mgmt and tell him to play harder 2-way.. or.. you just need to sometimes say screw it and play him with guys who will do just that - back check and get the puck. If you toss him with two work-horses like Horvat and whoever you deem practical, let him do his magic offensively.. Let him gain that confidence.

Would nuck fans really give a **** if he was a 30g 30a player and had -10? If so, send him to detroit for a bucket of pucks.. we'll gladly deal with that issue.

 

[Flameshomer]

Poirier-Goldobin swap in typical prospect cycling between nucks and flames? Or Wotherspoon?

Seems to work most often in the canucks favor but meh willing to roll the dice again!

 

[Zine]

That's what he gets for choosing NA over home. Will probably spend another 2 useless years in the minors to become useless in any league.

I'm curious why you think this only happens with Russians...

Because North America and Western Europe are relatively similar, the transition isn't drastic. Russia on the other hand.

For that same reason I wouldn't advise some junior aged Swede, or Canadian, or whoever to drop everything they know and go develop in Russia, even if their objective was making the KHL. It's a recipe for disaster.

 

[Atas2000]

I'm curious why you think this only happens with Russians...

I am curious where did you find that in my posts?

I don't care if and who else fails or not. I am only interested in the development of Russians. And most other nations' players don't have the option of the development inthe russian system, so why should I compare to them.

What I know is that Russians who go to NA early and dedicate themselves to that development path usually fail. Regardless of the discussion why that happens you have to acknowledge the fact.

Goldobin is just another coin to the bin. a talented guy once simply wastes precious time.

Let's have a look at his WJC team forwards.

Buchnevich, Leschenko, Sharov, Golyshev, Bryukvin are pros by now. All chose to develop at home.

The only semi-success story on the other side of the pond is Barbashev. Kamenev, Tolchinskiy dwelling in the minors in NA.

Mamin chose to cross the pond this year. That's not early, but I doubt he will gain from it. Should have stayed in Russia for another year or two.

Only two forwards from the group that develop in Russia are in the minors. Dergachev and Fischenko. But they were 4th liners on that team to begin with. And Goldobin was a supposed scoring threat.

So if you have any signficant proof that developing in NA benefits Russians I am eager to see it.

 

[kp61c]

in some interview this offseason he crapped all over russia and gushed about how he loves himself in na. he's not going to play in the khl any time soon.

 

[Pastor Of Muppets]

little harsh.. can has a ton of potential and can still turn it around. not sure why people are writing him off already, very asinine.

Probably most of the people writing him off are from the Canucks board..Par for the course...If there's no 'instant gratification' from player X,..there's obviously no hope for him...

 

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[Siludin]

Nifty. If all Goldobin does is create depth and competition then what more could the Canucks ask for... Hansen is a top-9 forward and the Canucks have already replaced his ice time with more-offensive type players of arguably equal value in Vanek & Gagner. The depth at both wings is suddenly looking good. If Hansen-at-RW is what needs replacing, wouldn't you say it's already been done? Guys like Boeser and Virtanen beat Goldobin for a roster spot essentially... They're taking up the "young dynamic forward" slots on the team.

 

[IComeInPeace]

I don’t normally crap on all of our prospects (probably the opposite), but despite the nice snipe, I don’t think his game transitions to the NHL level.

He seems like a classic ‘tweener type to me: excellent at a lower level, but not quite skilled enough to play a pure skill game at the NHL level.

I hope I’m wrong, and would love to be proven wrong.

But, like a lot of posters, I’m mainly going on the ‘eye’ test, and a ‘feeling’. I’m no scout, so my opinion is about as worthless as most anyone else’s here.

 

[CanaFan]

Nifty. If all Goldobin does is create depth and competition then what more could the Canucks ask for... Hansen is a top-9 forward and the Canucks have already replaced his ice time with more-offensive type players of arguably equal value in Vanek & Gagner. The depth at both wings is suddenly looking good. If Hansen-at-RW is what needs replacing, wouldn't you say it's already been done? Guys like Boeser and Virtanen beat Goldobin for a roster spot essentially... They're taking up the "young dynamic forward" slots on the team.

Then why did we target another winger nearing the end of his waiver exemption status?

Hansen was an asset regardless of whether we “needed” him or not. What we got for that asset is looking very “meh” at the moment.

 

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[Elias Pettersson]

Goldobin is too good for the AHL. That much we DO know.