Line Combos: Lineup 2017-2018 Part II

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Mr. Hab

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Bad news is we still have two gaping holes (1LD and 1C), good news is that for once we actually have the cap space to fill those needs if somehow a good player is available for futures. By simply trading Davidson, we would have 10 million to spend on these two players. Two players, that's all we need to be awesome... do I think it will happen? Not really. But here you go:

Pacioretty (4.5) – XXX (6) – Drouin (5.5)
Lehkonen (0.9) – Galchenyuk (4.9) – Gallagher (3.75)
Danault (0.9) – Plekanec (6) – Hemsky (1)
Byron (1.2) – Mitchell (1.1) – Shaw (3.9)
Hudon (0.65)

XXX (4) – Weber (7.8)
Alzner (4.6) – Petry (5.5)
Schlemko (2.1) – Benn (1.1)
Jerabek (0.9)
Streit (0.7)

Price (6.5)
Montoya (1.1)

$74.8

Bergevin has stockpiled on #6-7-8 dmen...wonder which one can be a solid #5...or even a solid #4? Who will surprise...'cause there are so many question marks!?

_?_ - Weber
Alzner - Petry
Schlemko - Benn
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Jerabek (NHL? AHL?) - Streit (NHL? AHL? retirement?)
Davidson - Morrow
(not enough natural RIGHTIES?).

One of Jerabek, Schlemko, or maybe Alzner will play with Weber?? (maybe?).
 
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Hudon / Drouin / Lehkonen
Patch / Danault / Hemsky
Galchenyuk / Pleky / Gallagher
Byron / Mitchell / Shaw
* Depth players: DLR, McCarron, Martinsen

???? / Weber
Alzner / Petry
Schlemko / Benn
* Take your pick at ????: Jerabek, Streit, Davidson, Morrow

Price
Montoya

Better team heading into next year vs what we had heading into last year IMO but not by much. All our sucess lies with our age 25 and under core.
 

Captain Mountain

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Hudon / Drouin / Gallagher
Patch / Danault / Lehkonen
Galchenyuk / Pleky / Hemsky
Byron / Mitchell / Shaw
* Depth players: DLR, McCarron, Martinsen

???? / Weber
Alzner / Petry
Schlemko / Benn
* Take your pick at ????: Jerabek, Streit, Davidson, Morrow

Price
Montoya

Better team heading into next year vs what we had heading into last year IMO but not by much. All our sucess lies with our age 25 and under core.

That's not a better team...
 

CheldishGamibno

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Hudon / Drouin / Lehkonen
Patch / Danault / Hemsky
Galchenyuk / Pleky / Gallagher
Byron / Mitchell / Shaw
* Depth players: DLR, McCarron, Martinsen

???? / Weber
Alzner / Petry
Schlemko / Benn
* Take your pick at ????: Jerabek, Streit, Davidson, Morrow

Price
Montoya

Better team heading into next year vs what we had heading into last year IMO but not by much. All our sucess lies with our age 25 and under core.

To be honest that's the worst team I've seen in a while, and I'm not the one to whine.
 

CauZuki

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Your reasons?

Drouin hasn't played center in the NHL (except for the odd faceoff here and there). Hemsky is playing in our top 6, our 3rd overall pick who is only one year older than Drouin is playing on the wing/3rd line. Hudon playing first line minutes when he has less than 10 games of NHL experience... I can keep going is there a reason you think this lineup is realistic or even good?
 

Kudo Shinichi

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Powerplay unit 1:

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Drouin - Weber

PP u2:

Lehkonen - Danault - Hemsky
Jerabek - Petry

PP u3:

Byron - Plekanec - Shaw
Schlemko - Benn
 

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Powerplay unit 1:

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Drouin - Weber

PP u2:

Lehkonen - Danault - Hemsky
Jerabek - Petry

PP u3:

Byron - Plekanec - Shaw
Schlemko - Benn[
/QUOTE]

You will never see that one,.... hopefully. :laugh:
 

Habs Halifax

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None of those is a legit first line. None of those line is actually really good/intimidating/hard to play against.

Just do the exercise of match-ups with each line against other team best lines.

Do you think we stand a chance?

Never said we were a legit top 5 cup contender. I said we are a better team today vs last year heading into the season. People were saying we were going to miss the playoffs last year too. More blah blah blah because we are not the Pens.
 

Zorba

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Never said we were a legit top 5 cup contender. I said we are a better team today vs last year heading into the season. People were saying we were going to miss the playoffs last year too. More blah blah blah because we are not the Pens.

We are not better than we were last year at this time. Please , please how losing radulov and markov make us better. Still no number 1 centre and now we don't have a # 2 dman. If anything we are worse
Thank god Carey is around for another 9 years
 

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Drouin hasn't played center in the NHL (except for the odd faceoff here and there). Hemsky is playing in our top 6, our 3rd overall pick who is only one year older than Drouin is playing on the wing/3rd line. Hudon playing first line minutes when he has less than 10 games of NHL experience... I can keep going is there a reason you think this lineup is realistic or even good?

Your too focused at negativity and it clouds your judgement if you ask me. With your evaluation, we might as well just give up and fold our team from the league because we're so bad.

- Relax about Hemsky. If he don't work out, who cares. It's a $1M deal!

- Drouin will be tried at center weather you like it or not. Will it work out? We don't know but we're going to try out a few different options

- Nothing wrong with putting Galchenyuk on the 3rd line with Pleky and Gallagher. You ever consider this might be the 2nd line on any given night.

- Hudon will be given a shot just like Lehkonen last year. Remember when people said he was no good?

Your reasons are not very good
 

Habs Halifax

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We are not better than we were last year at this time. Please , please how losing radulov and markov make us better. Still no number 1 centre and now we don't have a # 2 dman. If anything we are worse
Thank god Carey is around for another 9 years

We are better. You are not getting my point. I'm talking about what team we had heading into last year, not the team at the end of the year.

- Radulov was a huge risk the doomsday people were saying and it won't turn out well. Some even compared him to Semin. Lol

- Danault started on the 4th line

- Lehkonen was just another prospect bust some were saying

- Bryon was not even good enough to be on the team is what many people were saying (including me)

- Some saying Price was going to hurt his knee again

I remember the BS people were saying last year and the same stuff is being said again. Get real!
 

M.C.G. 31

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Your too focused at negativity and it clouds your judgement if you ask me. With your evaluation, we might as well just give up and fold our team from the league because we're so bad.

- Relax about Hemsky. If he don't work out, who cares. It's a $1M deal!

- Drouin will be tried at center weather you like it or not. Will it work out? We don't know but we're going to try out a few different options

- Nothing wrong with putting Galchenyuk on the 3rd line with Pleky and Gallagher. You ever consider this might be the 2nd line on any given night.

- Hudon will be given a shot just like Lehkonen last year. Remember when people said he was no good?

Your reasons are not very good

What world is any line Plekanec on considered a "2nd line on any given night"? Plekanec is a black hole of offense and will somehow drag Galchenyuk down with him. The guy is an overpaid bottom-six center that's a defensive specialist.

If you actually look at the lineup you posted with Hudon on the top line, Hemsky in the top-six, Galchenyuk and Gallagher on the 3rd line playing with freakin' Plekanec and your ???? = Streit, Davidson, Jerabek, Morrow as our options and think that's better than what we went into last season with than I don't know what to say.

At least last season we had the optimism at the time of Beaulieu getting a legitimate shot and still having a formidable top-4 consisting of Markov, Weber, Beaulieu and Petry and the prospect of a full 82-game season of Pacioretty-Galchenyuk together, along with Radulov, Gallagher, Lehkonen joining the club, Plekanec (before he lost any offensive skill he ever possessed in a single summer), etc.

it still wasn't good and Price went on two separate superman runs, but it's still better than what we have now...
 
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Scriptor

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What world is any line Plekanec on considered a "2nd line on any given night"? Plekanec is a black hole of offense and will somehow drag Galchenyuk down with him. The guy is an overpaid bottom-six center that's a defensive specialist.

If you actually look at the lineup you posted with Hudon on the top line, Hemsky in the top-six, Galchenyuk and Gallagher on the 3rd line playing with freakin' Plekanec and your ???? = Streit, Davidson, Jerabek, Morrow as our options and think that's better than what we went into last season with than I don't know what to say.

At least last season we had the optimism at the time of Beaulieu getting a legitimate shot and still having a formidable top-4 consisting of Markov, Weber, Beaulieu and Petry and the prospect of a full 82-game season of Pacioretty-Galchenyuk together, along with Radulov, Gallagher, Lehkonen joining the club, Plekanec (before he lost any offensive skill he ever possessed in a single summer), etc.

it still wasn't good and Price went on two separate superman runs, but it's still better than what we have now...

I don't know if the team is any better, but I wouldn't claim it is automatically much worse as some are doing.

I'm curious to see how the D will share up with so many changes and additions.

I expect to have a better defensive D than last season with the departure of both Emelin and Beaulieu.

I don't expect to have a better D at skating the puck up the ice as we have had in the past, even once Subban had been traded. Beaulieu was perhaps the best skating D on the team, with all the brain farts on and off the ice that came with the man. Subtract those and he is still here, no doubt.

I'm less concerned with the skating up the ice part because most -- if not all -- our Ds are tagged as possessing a good first pass and being mobile along the blue line. Also, with Price's puck-handling skills, our Ds always look at least slightly better than they would on another team without a G that can kill opponents' offensive forays before they become established in the zone.

I'm really hoping that Bergevin can add a top-6 C without poaching Drouin (22), Galchenyuk (23), Pacioretty (28), Lehkonen (21) or Danault (24) from his lineup in the process.

I'm also hopeful that the incoming C will be 27 yrs-old or less to get enough prime years playing with our younger forward core. A younger C than that with strong indications of success at the NHL level would also warrant trading away 1st rounders and such futures, as it did for Drouin, IMHO. You lose out on potential prospects and prospect depth in the short run, but you gain an established youngster in the process that will play long enough to replenish the prospect pool and won't go through the hit or miss development process.

A veteran C can more easily be had for a playoff push at the trade deadline at an affordable price in terms of assets without touching the core players in your NHL lineup.

I expect Montreal to have added a key piece to their lineup (ideally up front) by the All-Star Game and for the trade deadline to be an interesting period of the year as we gear up for the playoffs.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Gallagher traded as part of a package for that addition to our lineup by the All-Star Game and even less surprised to have an onslaught of Bergevin-bashing as a result on these boards. I'm also plenty reassured that there will have been plenty of bashing before an eventual trade bolsters the lineup.

Impatience from the fan base present on these boards is somewhat unsettling and unrealistic. One minuscule move is generally portrayed as the end-all move for the GM and insistence on living in the moment precludes anything else from possibly happening. It just becomes ironic how the GM is called out as being short-sighted while the reactions on the boards to individual moves are exactly that -- Short-sighted!

Is the team currently definitely better? IMO, no. Does that mean it is condemned to remain that way throughout the season. Only to support posters' arguments if their end game is to be stoically negative to their dying breaths.

You can remain optimistic while being realistic that miracles won't necessarily happen. However, building a winning team takes timing and opportunity. That's where patience kicks in as those two tenets for success usually don't materialize -- for every missing piece on a team -- in the same three-day window.

Too much melodrama and sarcasm on these boards that make leaps in logic to justify end-of-days scenarios; Hemsky preferred to Radulov statements and other such nonsense. It's obvious that, from a hockey standpoint, Bergevin would have preferred Radulov in the lineup, but we are made to waste time on such asinine statements time and time again.

When one points out absurdities like these, they are painted into a corner as pro Bergevin disciples and there inevitably isn't any discussion developing afterwards.

It's somewhat annoying to see.
 

Scriptor

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What world is any line Plekanec on considered a "2nd line on any given night"? Plekanec is a black hole of offense and will somehow drag Galchenyuk down with him. The guy is an overpaid bottom-six center that's a defensive specialist.

If you actually look at the lineup you posted with Hudon on the top line, Hemsky in the top-six, Galchenyuk and Gallagher on the 3rd line playing with freakin' Plekanec and your ???? = Streit, Davidson, Jerabek, Morrow as our options and think that's better than what we went into last season with than I don't know what to say.

At least last season we had the optimism at the time of Beaulieu getting a legitimate shot and still having a formidable top-4 consisting of Markov, Weber, Beaulieu and Petry and the prospect of a full 82-game season of Pacioretty-Galchenyuk together, along with Radulov, Gallagher, Lehkonen joining the club, Plekanec (before he lost any offensive skill he ever possessed in a single summer), etc.

it still wasn't good and Price went on two separate superman runs, but it's still better than what we have now...

I don't know if the team is any better, but I wouldn't claim it is automatically much worse as some are doing.

I'm curious to see how the D will share up with so many changes and additions.

I expect to have a better defensive D than last season with the departure of both Emelin and Beaulieu.

I don't expect to have a better D at skating the puck up the ice as we have had in the past, even once Subban had been traded. Beaulieu was perhaps the best skating D on the team, with all the brain farts on and off the ice that came with the man. Subtract those and he is still here, no doubt.

I'm less concerned with the skating up the ice part because most -- if not all -- our Ds are tagged as possessing a good first pass and being mobile along the blue line. Also, with Price's puck-handling skills, our Ds always look at least slightly better than they would on another team without a G that can kill opponents' offensive forays before they become established in the zone.

I'm really hoping that Bergevin can add a top-6 C without poaching Drouin (22), Galchenyuk (23), Pacioretty (28), Lehkonen (21) or Danault (24) from his lineup in the process.

I'm also hopeful that the incoming C will be 27 yrs-old or less to get enough prime years playing with our younger forward core. A younger C than that with strong indications of success at the NHL level would also warrant trading away 1st rounders and such futures, as it did for Drouin, IMHO. You lose out on potential prospects and prospect depth in the short run, but you gain an established youngster in the process that will play long enough to replenish the prospect pool and won't go through the hit or miss development process.

A veteran C can more easily be had for a playoff push at the trade deadline at an affordable price in terms of assets without touching the core players in your NHL lineup.

I expect Montreal to have added a key piece to their lineup (ideally up front) by the All-Star Game and for the trade deadline to be an interesting period of the year as we gear up for the playoffs.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Gallagher traded as part of a package for that addition to our lineup by the All-Star Game and even less surprised to have an onslaught of Bergevin-bashing as a result on these boards. I'm also plenty reassured that there will have been plenty of bashing before an eventual trade bolsters the lineup.

Impatience from the fan base present on these boards is somewhat unsettling and unrealistic. One minuscule move is generally portrayed as the end-all move for the GM and insistence on living in the moment precludes anything else from possibly happening. It just becomes ironic how the GM is called out as being short-sighted while the reactions on the boards to individual moves are exactly that -- Short-sighted!

Is the team currently definitely better? IMO, no. Does that mean it is condemned to remain that way throughout the season. Only to support posters' arguments if their end game is to be stoically negative to their dying breaths.

You can remain optimistic while being realistic that miracles won't necessarily happen. However, building a winning team takes timing and opportunity. That's where patience kicks in as those two tenets for success usually don't materialize -- for every missing piece on a team -- in the same three-day window.

Too much melodrama and sarcasm on these boards that make leaps in logic to justify end-of-days scenarios; Hemsky preferred to Radulov statements and other such nonsense. It's obvious that, from a hockey standpoint, Bergevin would have preferred Radulov in the lineup, but we are made to waste time on such asinine statements time and time again.

When one points out absurdities like these, they are painted into a corner as pro Bergevin disciples and there inevitably isn't any discussion developing afterwards.

It's somewhat annoying to see.
 

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I don't know if the team is any better, but I wouldn't claim it is automatically much worse as some are doing.

I'm less concerned with the skating up the ice part because most -- if not all -- our Ds are tagged as possessing a good first pass and being mobile along the blue line. Also, with Price's puck-handling skills, our Ds always look at least slightly better than they would on another team without a G that can kill opponents' offensive forays before they become established in the zone.

I'm really hoping that Bergevin can add a top-6 C without poaching Drouin (22), Galchenyuk (23), Pacioretty (28), Lehkonen (21) or Danault (24) from his lineup in the process.

I'm also hopeful that the incoming C will be 27 yrs-old or less to get enough prime years playing with our younger forward core. A younger C than that with strong indications of success at the NHL level would also warrant trading away 1st rounders and such futures, as it did for Drouin, IMHO. You lose out on potential prospects and prospect depth in the short run, but you gain an established youngster in the process that will play long enough to replenish the prospect pool and won't go through the hit or miss development process.

.....

I wouldn't be surprised to see Gallagher traded as part of a package for that addition to our lineup by the All-Star Game and even less surprised to have an onslaught of Bergevin-bashing as a result on these boards. I'm also plenty reassured that there will have been plenty of bashing before an eventual trade bolsters the lineup.

Is the team currently definitely better? IMO, no. Does that mean it is condemned to remain that way throughout the season. Only to support posters' arguments if their end game is to be stoically negative to their dying breaths.

I still think we could trade a 1st rounder, plus a roster player like Shaw or Byron or maybe Gallagher ( I would prefer not) for a guy like Ryan Nugent Hopkins, particuarly if Draisatl gets a big contract as expected. And maybe we have to add impending UFAs, send Plekanec from our side and take Mark Fayne from their side.
 

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I still think we could trade a 1st rounder, plus a roster player like Shaw or Byron or maybe Gallagher ( I would prefer not) for a guy like Ryan Nugent Hopkins, particuarly if Draisatl gets a big contract as expected. And maybe we have to add impending UFAs, send Plekanec from our side and take Mark Fayne from their side.

Habs shouldn't have to add anything to Gallagher for RNH. Unless Byron pulls off another 20+ goal season, I don't think his value would be there yet. Shaw was much better and more disciplined under Julien so I think he'll be better this season. Edmonton might have interest but we may have to add a bit.
 

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Habs shouldn't have to add anything to Gallagher for RNH. Unless Byron pulls off another 20+ goal season, I don't think his value would be there yet. Shaw was much better and more disciplined under Julien so I think he'll be better this season. Edmonton might have interest but we may have to add a bit.

I'd hope to do Shaw with $1M retained, plus a 1st rounder, for RNH. Byron may not pull off another 22g season, but the truth is he got the same # of points as RNH last year, and costs 1/5 the salary. It's not a bad return for a team that is spending a ton on two players and needs to get value for the rest and still have some talent on the ice.

Also adding Plekanec versus Fayne IS adding a bit from Montreal's side.
 

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Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Gallagher
Drouin-Danault-Lekonen
Byron-Plekanec-Hemsky
McCarron-Mitchell-Shaw
 

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Agreed...

LIKE ~ I believe that MARKOV will be with us at the end of the year (after the KHL season is over) and he will get his 1000 game and goal to surpass Lapointe.


Lehkonen and Gallagher had good chemistry during the playoffs. I'd try to piggy back on that in the coming season.

Pacioretty - Danault - Drouin
Lehkonen - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Byron - Plekanec - Hemsky
Hudon - Mitchell - Shaw
DLR

And if Galchenyuk is a disaster at centre:

Pacioretty - Danault - Drouin
Lehkonen - Plekanec - Galchenyuk
Byron - Shaw - Gallagher
Hudon - Mitchell - Hemsky
DLR
 

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LIKE ~ I believe that MARKOV will be with us at the end of the year (after the KHL season is over) and he will get his 1000 game and goal to surpass Lapointe.

He would be ineligible for the PO if he signs after the KHL season as a UFA and would have to pass through waivers.
 
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