Seravalli: Lindholm, Hanifin, and Toffoli will not go into next season with a year left on their deals. They will either be extended or traded

[CaliforniaBlues310]

I have a feeling that at least one of Lindholm/Hanifin will be a Blue. A top 4 defensive minded D, and legit top 6 C are our two biggest holes right now.

 

[Bond]

That is a pretty darn bold stance to take if true.

I'm not sure that you want to find out whether guys like Lindholm are interested in re-signing in Calgary based on that disastrous last season. I would've thought they'd want to give things a shot under a new coach and see if they can't get off on a better foot...to maybe convince some of these guys that Calgary isn't a lost cause. So they might actually want to sign there long-term.


Forcing them to make their decision before the season and before seeing how things go...i think you're effectively pushing them out the door. With guys like Lindholm at least, for sure. He's already indicated hesitance to re-sign in Calgary unless he sees some change from last year.

Not really. The Flames can’t really afford for the players to be non-commital. If the stink again next year their value goes down at the deadline or if they go on a heater then they’ll have teams lining up to sign them. The bold move would be to go into the season with them undecided especially with what happened last offseason

I have a feeling that at least one of Lindholm/Hanifin will be a Blue. A top 4 defensive minded D, and legit top 6 C are our two biggest holes right now.

This will be ignorance but do the blues even have any good prospects/young players that are expendable?

 

[Detroit Knights]

None of them are holding out. None of them have said that. None of them have even said they don't want to re-sign although Backlund and Lindholm hinted at it.

It's obvious speculation, but obvious being the key word.

Lindholm almost just fully said it at the press conference. The direction of the team is heading down a pretty bad path now that the GM is gone and the coach (regardless of how much they didn't like him). I am convinced that Toffoli was only happy there because of Sutter (they seemed to like each other back in the day too) and there are rumors everywhere about Calgary getting calls on Hanifin anyways.

I'd be somewhat shocked if they were all still there by season start to be honest.

 

[biturbo19]

Not really. The Flames can’t really afford for the players to be non-commital. If the stink again next year their value goes down at the deadline or if they go on a heater then they’ll have teams lining up to sign them. The bold move would be to go into the season with them undecided especially with what happened last offseason

It just seems to me like the reality is...the players are going to be noncommittal. You can't really do anything about that, it's just something you have to accept. That's what happens when you have a massively disappointing season like this past year, and then make a bunch of organizational changes that have yet to play out and take effect to give players something to go on in terms of the team's direction.

What this reads like to me, is forcing them to make a decision while they're on the fence. If you do that...they're gonna default to, "get me the heck out of here". In favor of a more "known situation" somewhere else.

Basically yes, you'd love to have these players clearly express their commitment to the Flames going forward. But in today's NHL, it's a two way street. Especially for UFA-aged players who have earned their right to negotiate and pick their spot. And right now, they have absolutely nothing to go on with this new regime. Do you really want them making their decision about their future with Calgary based on the aftertaste of that catastrophic last season?


It's demanding "buy-in" to a completely unknown concept. What exactly are you "buying in" to with this new front office group in Calgary? There's no way of knowing, until you see what sort of moves they make and how the new coach is going to work out. Might as well just push them out the door at that point.

 

[Play]

Noah Hanifin for William Nylander

Elias Lindholm for Debrincat

Toffoli to Jersey for something

Source ?

 

[Toe Pick]

I’d love Lindholm to Cbus but regardless this is the correct approach by Calgary.

One in which I wish the CBJ front office would’ve taken with Panarin back in the day. They learned their lesson though and moved Jones the same way Calgary has with Gaudreau then moved Tkachuk / this group.

If core players won’t extend then you gotta move em in the off-season where the options are as wide open as you’re gonna get.

 

[slappipappi]

Noah Hanifin for William Nylander

Elias Lindholm for Debrincat

Toffoli to Jersey for something

And that helps the flames how?

getting two guys who also one year from UFA. THAT’s why the Flames are trading their guys in the first place.

 

[ViD]

I have a feeling that at least one of Lindholm/Hanifin will be a Blue Jacket . A legit top 6 C is out biggest hole right now.

I fully agree with the corrected statement above

 

[tarheelhockey]

Who's the leading man in Vegas? and what exactly earns a player that distinction?

Eichel and Stone are point a game players, which is certainly good, but nothing Huberdeau and Lindholm haven't done before or are not capable of for example. The strength of that team is certainly it's immense amount of depth.

Sutter massively underutilized his top end talent last season, so in my opinion It's unfair to judge them and underate them based on last season alone.

It's an incredibly tough league to win in, and there is no set way to accomplish that task. Adin Hill and Sergei Bobrovsky were complete afterthoughts just a month ago and now they are battling it out in the finals. Hockey is a weird sport.

Now I am not saying Calgary should be viewed as some sort of high end contender, but the talent on this roster is better than it get's given credit for.

Sure, but Eichel and Stone are better than Lindholm and Huberdeau, Pietrangelo is better than any Flames defenseman, and Hill was what… their 4th or 5th goalie?

Vegas and Florida are both examples of having elite players backed up by good depth, and then throwing in a goalie on a historic heater at the right moment. Some of that is randomness and luck, sure. But are you really going to count on randomness and luck as the basis for your shot at contention?

Don’t get me wrong, I have no doubt that Calgary can bounce back from this down year and be a playoff team again. But Cup contention doesn’t seem possible with this roster as constructed, barring a historic levels of crazy luck, and they don’t even have a reputation of past success to fall back on. If Cup contention isn’t in the cards, what’s the point of doubling and tripling down? That’s how you become the next Flyers or Jets. Is that really what you’re shooting for here?

 

[Bond]

It just seems to me like the reality is...the players are going to be noncommittal. You can't really do anything about that, it's just something you have to accept. That's what happens when you have a massively disappointing season like this past year, and then make a bunch of organizational changes that have yet to play out and take effect to give players something to go on in terms of the team's direction.

What this reads like to me, is forcing them to make a decision while they're on the fence. If you do that...they're gonna default to, "get me the heck out of here". In favor of a more "known situation" somewhere else.

Basically yes, you'd love to have these players clearly express their commitment to the Flames going forward. But in today's NHL, it's a two way street. Especially for UFA-aged players who have earned their right to negotiate and pick their spot. And right now, they have absolutely nothing to go on with this new regime. Do you really want them making their decision about their future with Calgary based on the aftertaste of that catastrophic last season?


It's demanding "buy-in" to a completely unknown concept. What exactly are you "buying in" to with this new front office group in Calgary? There's no way of knowing, until you see what sort of moves they make and how the new coach is going to work out. Might as well just push them out the door at that point.

Eh. It’s more about do you want to make market rate in Calgary or go elsewhere.
If they aren’t willing to to take market rate in Calgary then trade them.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Noah Hanifin for William Nylander

Elias Lindholm for Debrincat

Toffoli to Jersey for something

Who plays 1C?

 

[thaman8765678]

This is the same guy who said Sutter will stay with the team. He has very little credibility.

 

[Bond]

This is the same guy who said Sutter will stay with the team. He has very little credibility.

Conroy said it himself in his presser when he got hired

 

[kilowatt]

Bring Tyler home! Would the Flames be interested in Iafallo and Durzi?

 

[MakeCgyGreatAgain]

To give Montreal a better draft pick

Floridas pick

 

[PatrikBerglund]

I think Hanifin for Nylander is pretty close to even. I guess whats the best player/prospect you think would be available for Tofolli

Nylander is Toronto's best player.

 

[strattonius]

This is pretty rough to deal with if you're Craig Conroy.

Never seen 3 of a team's top players all demand contract extensions in their last year. Something's wrong in Calgary's dressing room.

 

[Bounces R Way]

This is pretty rough to deal with if you're Craig Conroy.

Never seen 3 of a team's top players all demand contract extensions in their last year. Something's wrong in Calgary's dressing room.

That's not what's happening

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

What's the plan in Calgary? Are they going to rebuild? Or continue to try and contend?

Depends on who is willing to stay, mainly on Lindholm though

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Also, the players don't care if they are fetching valuable pieces in return because they will no longer be on the team, so they could care less (most of the time) if their current team get's good assets in return for them. If anything, it would hurt them because then they won't be able to play with those great assets.

This has been proven to not be true. Last year Tkachuk worked with Calgary to help them get a return they wanted. He could have easily said St. Louis or 1 year and I walk.

3 years ago when the CBA was updated. Conditional re-sign picks were made illegal because the Players Association felt it lowered the value of their players

 

[Dough72]

This has been proven to not be true. Last year Tkachuk worked with Calgary to help them get a return they wanted. He could have easily said St. Louis or 1 year and I walk.

3 years ago when the CBA was updated. Conditional re-sign picks were made illegal because the Players Association felt it lowered the value of their players

I hope that's not true and it's just a sports writer interpreted things poorly and others copied him. Giving a player that type of control over his fellow players lives and careers is a pretty serious line to cross. Although there doesn't seem to be a line left people are not trampling over gleefully these days so who really knows anymore. But if this really is another new-normal and players now have direct control over their fellow players, which would be kind of disturbing, I doubt a single one would say "no! I will not head to sunny Florida until you give away more of their best players! For I am the embodiment of objectivity!" or whatever blah blah