Seravalli: Lindholm, Hanifin, and Toffoli will not go into next season with a year left on their deals. They will either be extended or traded

[WingsToPick4th]

2024 1st BOS + 2023 2nd 41 OA + Soderblom for Lindholm

 

[FSL KINGS]

What's the Pacific Division discount for Lindholm to the King's?

 

[dugg133]

Those are all pretty valuable pieces. My question is do you get more now or at the TDL? IMO the answer is the TDL, so I don't understand the logic of making the moves now if they won't extend.

If the plan is to try and stay competitive, which seems to be the case, then you have to move them now so you can get back roster players or picks/prospects that you can flip for roster players. Flames can't put themselves in a situation where they get to the trade deadline and look like contenders, but still have these three unsigned and need to make a decision on whether to trade key pieces off a team that looks like it could win the cup. And if the new coaching hire has a big impact and Markstrom bounces back, that's 100% a possibility.

 

[Bond]

What's the Pacific Division discount for Lindholm to the King's?

Something the Kings don't want to pay is my guess

 

[StreetHawk]

Those are all pretty valuable pieces. My question is do you get more now or at the TDL? IMO the answer is the TDL, so I don't understand the logic of making the moves now if they won't extend.

You take the risk of a bad season, injury, plus right now you open yourself up to more teams vs the 10-12 teams that are loading up for a playoff run.

 

[BB88]

Not if the cost is the 3rd pick

3rd overall picks carry way more value than that.

 

[Double Dion]

3rd overall picks carry way more value than that.

Depends on the year. This year yes. The Yakupov/Murray draft year not so much.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Thank f***ing god. Don't think I can stomach another offseason like we had last year.
You're either in or you're out, none of this one foot on either side maybe baby BS Gaudreau+Tkachuk put us through.

All three have great contracts and this is looking like the final year of the flat cap. Should yield quite a haul collectively.

 

[Guess]

If Toffoli gets more than Hugo did with the Habs I'm gonna lose my shit.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Just my opinion, but the Flames would be better off rebuilding than continuing with the current cast. Their depth is OK but they’re trying to get by with 2nd line/2nd pair players in too many roles. I don’t see that getting fixed with trades or FA, so the clearest path forward would be to strip it down and maximize their drafting opportunities. Come back in 5 years with a young hungry team, rather than just be admitting in 5 years that it’s time to rebuild.

 

[Double Dion]

Just my opinion, but the Flames would be better off rebuilding than continuing with the current cast. Their depth is OK but they’re trying to get by with 2nd line/2nd pair players in too many roles. I don’t see that getting fixed with trades or FA, so the clearest path forward would be to strip it down and maximize their drafting opportunities. Come back in 5 years with a young hungry team, rather than just be admitting in 5 years that it’s time to rebuild.

I don't think you're wrong. This is the kind of team you'd win a cup with IF you had a McDavid type player. It's a great supporting cast with no leading man.

 

[BB88]

Depends on the year. This year yes. The Yakupov/Murray draft year not so much.

Please share when have top3 picks been used in trades?

Neither Horvat or Meier got anywhere close to that value and no team will put up anything as valuable on the table for Lindholm

 

[Double Dion]

Please share when have top3 picks been used in trades?

Neither Horvat or Meier got anywhere close to that value and no team will put up anything as valuable on the table for Lindholm

So you figure all top 3 picks are the same? Use some common sense and go back and look at the post again. 2012 draft didn't have a player in the top 3, yet alone a #1C. This year there could be half a dozen 1Cs on the first day.

 

[613Leafer]

Those are all pretty valuable pieces. My question is do you get more now or at the TDL? IMO the answer is the TDL, so I don't understand the logic of making the moves now if they won't extend.

You can make more of a hockey trade now, plus use their capspace in free agency.

With the Kadri, Huberdeau, Markstrom, Weegar, etc contracts, plus Calgary's ownership, I don't think they want to just trade these guys for picks and prospects at the deadline, especially with the risk of injury and getting nothing.

 

[HighLifeMan]

I don't think you're wrong. This is the kind of team you'd win a cup with IF you had a McDavid type player. It's a great supporting cast with no leading man.

Who's the leading man in Vegas? and what exactly earns a player that distinction?

Eichel and Stone are point a game players, which is certainly good, but nothing Huberdeau and Lindholm haven't done before or are not capable of for example. The strength of that team is certainly it's immense amount of depth.

Sutter massively underutilized his top end talent last season, so in my opinion It's unfair to judge them and underate them based on last season alone.

It's an incredibly tough league to win in, and there is no set way to accomplish that task. Adin Hill and Sergei Bobrovsky were complete afterthoughts just a month ago and now they are battling it out in the finals. Hockey is a weird sport.

Now I am not saying Calgary should be viewed as some sort of high end contender, but the talent on this roster is better than it get's given credit for.

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

Those are all pretty valuable pieces. My question is do you get more now or at the TDL? IMO the answer is the TDL, so I don't understand the logic of making the moves now if they won't extend.

Injuries.

Plus, Lindholm and Hanifin have immense value as sign and trades.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Those are all pretty valuable pieces. My question is do you get more now or at the TDL? IMO the answer is the TDL, so I don't understand the logic of making the moves now if they won't extend.

The logic is pretty simple. They don't want to sign long-term in calgary for some glaring reasons, so they are basically saying they are holding out until they get traded before the season starts. Starting on a team from the beginning of the season is much more valuable in the long-run for that player to build relationships/chemistry before playoffs (if they make it).

Also, the players don't care if they are fetching valuable pieces in return because they will no longer be on the team, so they could care less (most of the time) if their current team get's good assets in return for them. If anything, it would hurt them because then they won't be able to play with those great assets.

 

[Double Dion]

Who's the leading man in Vegas? and what exactly earns a player that distinction?

Eichel and Stone are point a game players, which is certainly good, but nothing Huberdeau and Lindholm haven't done before or are not capable of for example. The strength of that team is certainly it's immense amount of depth.

Sutter massively underutilized his top end talent last season, so in my opinion It's unfair to judge them and underate them based on last season alone.

It's an incredibly tough league to win in, and there is no set way to accomplish that task. Adin Hill and Sergei Bobrovsky were complete afterthoughts just a month ago and now they are battling it out in the finals. Hockey is a weird sport.

Now I am not saying Calgary should be viewed as some sort of high end contender, but the talent on this roster is better than it get's given credit for.

Seriously? Vegas has Stone, Eichel and Pietrangelo. I'm not huge on Eichel, but Stone is a top 10 player in the league when healthy.

I do think we are somewhere in the 12-15th most talented team in the league. We are also the 2nd oldest roster in the league. I don't see the upside.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

14th overall for Lindholm.

It’s going to take more than that.

Krebs + 14th for Lindholm (8.5x8) + 48th overall.

He’s the best asset on the market imo and I think most teams will see him as a piece that pushes them over the top.

 

[Double Dion]

The logic is pretty simple. They don't want to sign long-term in calgary for some glaring reasons, so they are basically saying they are holding out until they get traded before the season starts. Starting on a team from the beginning of the season is much more valuable in the long-run for that player to build relationships/chemistry before playoffs (if they make it).

Also, the players don't care if they are fetching valuable pieces in return because they will no longer be on the team, so they could care less (most of the time) if their current team get's good assets in return for them. If anything, it would hurt them because then they won't be able to play with those great assets.

None of them are holding out. None of them have said that. None of them have even said they don't want to re-sign although Backlund and Lindholm hinted at it.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

2024 1st BOS + 2023 2nd 41 OA + Soderblom for Lindholm

So you think you’ll get Lindholm for less than Jeanot got?

What's the Pacific Division discount for Lindholm to the King's?

Honestly I would want Byfield as the main piece.

For better or worse - Calgary has committed to it's big ticket winger. You can't have two.

Marner to Calgary doesn't make sense.

I disagree. The cap is going up. Marner and Huberdeau, if he bounces back, should give Calgary the firepower they lacked last year.

 

[Gurglesons]

It’s going to take more than that.

Krebs + 14th for Lindholm (8.5x8) + 48th overall.

He’s the best asset on the market imo and I think most teams will see him as a piece that pushes them over the top.

14th is with PIT.

 

[HighLifeMan]

Seriously? Vegas has Stone, Eichel and Pietrangelo. I'm not huge on Eichel, but Stone is a top 10 player in the league when healthy.

I do think we are somewhere in the 12-15th most talented team in the league. We are also the 2nd oldest roster in the league. I don't see the upside.

Yes - Seriously.

Huberdeau is one season removed from being 2nd in the league in scoring, and Lindholm is a season removed from 40+ goals as the Selke runner up. They have shown to be elite players in this league in very recent memory.

All's I am saying is "one guy" didn't get Vegas to where they are. Jonathan Marchessault is leading them in scoring.

It's a weird league.

 

[biturbo19]

That is a pretty darn bold stance to take if true.

I'm not sure that you want to find out whether guys like Lindholm are interested in re-signing in Calgary based on that disastrous last season. I would've thought they'd want to give things a shot under a new coach and see if they can't get off on a better foot...to maybe convince some of these guys that Calgary isn't a lost cause. So they might actually want to sign there long-term.


Forcing them to make their decision before the season and before seeing how things go...i think you're effectively pushing them out the door. With guys like Lindholm at least, for sure. He's already indicated hesitance to re-sign in Calgary unless he sees some change from last year.

 

[andora]

Those are all pretty valuable pieces. My question is do you get more now or at the TDL? IMO the answer is the TDL, so I don't understand the logic of making the moves now if they won't extend.

Do it now so you dont go on a roll in a playoff spot or fighting for one and end up with nothing.. especially if you arent interested in re signing them.. or vice versa

Sign and trades can be worked out and pieces can be used to facilitate other deals