Leivo has asked for a trade

[ottomaddox]

I've said it before. I don't think I've ever seen fans root against a young player on their own team as much as with Leivo, for no other reason than that others like him. It's absolutely absurd. As fans of the Maple Leafs, we should all primarily hope that he lives up to what some have claimed he can do. Anything else is detrimental to the team.

It's a little bit hateful to cheer against your own player, but fans have to come down to earth in regards to Leivo.

It's not the coach or the terrible fans that is keeping Leivo from a significant role in the team. It's Leivo time and time again.

 

[Nithoniniel]

It's not the coach or the terrible fans that is keeping Leivo from a significant role in the team. It's Leivo time and time again.

The only thing that affects Leivo's chances to play a prominent role is the coach's opinion of him relative to other options. And I disagree with Babcock on this subject.

 

[DarkKnight]

It's a little bit hateful to cheer against your own player, but fans have to come down to earth in regards to Leivo.

It's not the coach or the terrible fans that is keeping Leivo from a significant role in the team. It's Leivo time and time again.

Really, Leivo "time and again"? Point to me the opportunity he received where he failed because from what I've seen he always shows he's an NHL player? I get the numbers game, I get other players, but I don't get the "this kid has had all the chances in the world" type bs.

 

[deletethis]

I wish Leivo all the success in the world and I empathize with his current situation. But I'm pretty much convinced that there are better alternatives to Leivo from within the organization. Becoming a permanent Leaf at this moment in history is highly competitive. There are currently scratched or demoted players who have contributed to many winning performances this season and last. There will be some winners and losers to the competition. Some of those losers will still be legit NHLers.

 

[hotpaws]

I've said it before. I don't think I've ever seen fans root against a young player on their own team as much as with Leivo, for no other reason than that others like him. It's absolutely absurd. As fans of the Maple Leafs, we should all primarily hope that he lives up to what some have claimed he can do. Anything else is detrimental to the team.

they want him to fail for no other reason than they know Babs doesn't like him and doesn't want to play him

 

[BertCorbeau]

He looked passive to me, afraid to make mistakes. I think Kapanen really drove the line. Hard to complain about anyone on that line when they had something over 90% of the expected goal differential.

Agree with this.

But with Matthews' out this is Leivo's chance to make an impression. If he gets scratched for Martin, the writing will be on the wall for him IMO.

He did draw that 5 on 3 penalty which was critical. Didn't look great but didn't look bad either.

 

[ACC1224]

Agree with this.

But with Matthews' out this is Leivo's chance to make an impression. If he gets scratched for Martin, the writing will be on the wall for him IMO.

He did draw that 5 on 3 penalty which was critical. Didn't look great but didn't look bad either.

About sums him up. I don't get the love some have for him, he's ok but mostly I forget he's even on the Team.
Would he really be missed if he wasn't?

 

[ShaneFalco]

Bottom line is move him. He'll never play regularly despite how he does with Babcock here

 

[GoonieFace]

Bottom line is move him. He'll never play regularly despite how he does with Babcock here

When Kapenen plays you notice him, Leivo never seems to stand out. People need to accept the fact that he is nothing special

 

[ottomaddox]

Really, Leivo "time and again"? Point to me the opportunity he received where he failed because from what I've seen he always shows he's an NHL player? I get the numbers game, I get other players, but I don't get the "this kid has had all the chances in the world" type bs.

54 NHL games isn't enough chances?

 

[Menzinger]

54 NHL games isn't enough chances?

Spread out over a long period of time, not so much.

Young players tend to develop the best when they see consistent usage and line mates. Leivo has been ragdolled across the lineup at different times which has prevented that consistency from Blake nbg.

And still, given his usage (often on the 4th line when it had guys like Martin still on), his production has shown he should/could be in the NHL on a scoring line.

 

[White Shadow]

Really, Leivo "time and again"? Point to me the opportunity he received where he failed because from what I've seen he always shows he's an NHL player? I get the numbers game, I get other players, but I don't get the "this kid has had all the chances in the world" type bs.

Over a span of 6 years 3 NHL coaches and 3 GMs all said meh.

 

[IceColdBear]

Hoping Lou fulfills his request and we pick up the best pick we can get for him.

 

[thewave]

Hoping Lou fulfills his request and we pick up the best pick we can get for him.

The 4th rounder? Rather give him a shot and see if he can make himself worth more than that. If not discard him, who cares.

 

[Northernguy10]

The only thing that affects Leivo's chances to play a prominent role is the coach's opinion of him relative to other options. And I disagree with Babcock on this subject.

...and I agree with your disagreement.The league is getting younger. Careers will be getting shorter. if you have no use for him, let him go.

 

[Northernguy10]

When Kapenen plays you notice him, Leivo never seems to stand out. People need to accept the fact that he is nothing special

You notice Kapanen because speed is noticeable (obviously he has more than speed) Leivo is a different kind of player that works the boards, plays a little more physically, can work the front of the net and has a good shot...He'll help another team... I hope he ends up with one that needs his skills.

 

[White Shadow]

...and I agree with your disagreement.The league is getting younger. Careers will be getting shorter. if you have no use for him, let him go.

He'll be gone Monday because put himself ahead of the team. That goes against Lou's code.

 

[Northernguy10]

Over a span of 6 years 3 NHL coaches and 3 GMs all said meh.

Yet they gave him reasonable money not only for this year but even more for next year and wouldn't put him on waivers. If he's that 'meh' they'd they should have no problem replacing him as a depth player.

 

[WilliamNylander]

He was good last night. Obviously Babcock is in love with Kappy which will overshadow Leivo but still... if he can string together a few good games here he might get some action come playoff time.

 

[Critical13]

I just don’t see anything there. He’s okay, he will be a depth player on a worse team than ours.

 

[White Shadow]

Yet they gave him reasonable money not only for this year but even more for next year and wouldn't put him on waivers. If he's that 'meh' they'd they should have no problem replacing him as a depth player.

925k is not job security. It's what you get paid in the NHL at 24 to be a mannequin at practice while the real prospects marinate in the AHL.

 

[Menzinger]

925k is not job security. It's what you get paid in the NHL at 24 to be a mannequin at practice while the real prospects marinate in the AHL.

They didn’t have to offer him a contract, they have plenty of other options to be fill in at practices. Clearly they see enough about his level of play to want to keep him around for another season.

Lou squishing any notion is a trade too suggests there’s more going on behind the scenes too.

 

[PuckMagi]

54 NHL games isn't enough chances?

Those games were very spread out.

He was often playing on the 4th line with limited minutes.

He also did quite well during certain stretches and would get benched even after scoring a goal. Last year he put up 10 points in 13 games... and again, he was often on the 4th line with limited minutes in those games.

So he was given some limited chances... but even when he did well and was putting up points, he still got benched in favour of guys like Martin.

I think he needs a real chance (not playing on the 4th line) and he shouldn't be benched if he puts up good numbers again.

 

[White Shadow]

They didn’t have to offer him a contract, they have plenty of other options to be fill in at practices. Clearly they see enough about his level of play to want to keep him around for another season.

Lou squishing any notion is a trade too suggests there’s more going on behind the scenes too.

We know that Babs doesn't like rotating guys in and out of the lineup. So, who else plays the mannequin in your opinion?

Lou hasn't said he won't trade Leivo, he said Leivo didn't ask him for a trade. Big difference.

 

[hotpaws]

Over a span of 6 years 3 NHL coaches and 3 GMs all said meh.

and how many 3rd rounders make the NHL a year or two after they were drafted , you don;t have to like the guy but i have no idea why you have to spew crap

he hasn't gotten a legit chance because Babs doesn't like him , it's as simple as that