Proposal: LEAFS ideas

[axlrose87]

Which could be the case.... I think my suggestion takes away a bit of the risk.
And as far as 2nd line winger, I think he has shown he can produce more when playing with talented players.... the reason he isn’t a star player in this league is because he can’t turn a shitty line into a great line. But he can turn a good line into a great line

Or maybe he isn’t that great?
We can’t just assume he will start producing like a top line guy when he arrives.
Let’s not forget that he also gets top power play time. He would not get that on contending teams (ie: Toronto).
I’m not so sure his numbers change much.
Solid player though. Nowhere near worth what the rumoured price is.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Or maybe he isn’t that great?
We can’t just assume he will start producing like a top line guy when he arrives.
Let’s not forget that he also gets top power play time. He would not get that on contending teams (ie: Toronto).
I’m not so sure his numbers change much.
Solid player though. Nowhere near worth what the rumoured price is.

you do realize the ducks power play is actual dog shit, and I’m pretty sure there are players in the league with more power play goals than our whole team combined, Rakell doesn’t benefit at all from our power play.... and our top unit is half as good as your 2nd unit if that

Well that’s why I suggested making the pick 2nd rounder with conditions based on leafs playoff run or his production in the next season.


That way if he is just a 2nd line winger, leafs only lose the prospect + late 2nd.... if his points go up to first line player status/or leafs have a good playoff run... then ducks are rewarded. I don’t think the leafs care about the pick if he lights it up in Toronto , or they have an extended playoff race.

I checked draisitl and pavelski have more power play goals than the whole ducks team combined, matthews is 1 back

 

[BLONG7]

buffalo isn’t doing Andersen forUllmark

I think there was a league wide memo, on all teams should all be ready to help the leafs with their cap issues, and needs to ramp up for the playoffs!!

 

[Faltorvo]

Amirov + 1st for Rakell seems like over kill from the leafs

Amirov + 2021 1rst should be used on Ekholm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>before Rakell

 

[ThatsSoSlavin]

You talking bout aj?

Yah AJ, it was some random tweet but I can’t find it

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Amirov + 2021 1rst should be used on Ekholm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>before Rakell

1st sure but not Amirov.
Theres away without losing a 1st and a top prospect and if not. im sure another team is willing to bite on such a high price tag

 

[axlrose87]

you do realize the ducks power play is actual dog shit, and I’m pretty sure there are players in the league with more power play goals than our whole team combined, Rakell doesn’t benefit at all from our power play.... and our top unit is half as good as your 2nd unit if that

Well that’s why I suggested making the pick 2nd rounder with conditions based on leafs playoff run or his production in the next season.


That way if he is just a 2nd line winger, leafs only lose the prospect + late 2nd.... if his points go up to first line player status/or leafs have a good playoff run... then ducks are rewarded. I don’t think the leafs care about the pick if he lights it up in Toronto , or they have an extended playoff race.

I checked draisitl and pavelski have more power play goals than the whole ducks team combined, matthews is 1 back

Ok, but have you asked yourself if players benefit from playing with him?
People always complain about their players not having good enough teammates. When looking to acquire top picks and prospects, the player needs to be more than just a complimentary player who is dependant on others. There are several very good complimentary players that are traded every year for much less.
In fact, I am guessing a guy palmieri gets traded for much less but might actually be the better player.

 

[CatchyTune]

Amirov + 2021 1rst should be used on Ekholm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>before Rakell

neither would command both

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Ok, but have you asked yourself if players benefit from playing with him?
People always complain about their players not having good enough teammates. When looking to acquire top picks and prospects, the player needs to be more than just a complimentary player who is dependant on others. There are several very good complimentary players that are traded every year for much less.
In fact, I am guessing a guy palmieri gets traded for much less but might actually be the better player.

Well I can’t predict what palmeiri goes for..... but even if we call palms and Rakell a wash or fairly close.... what do you imagine you trade for palmeiri this year

 

[axlrose87]

Well I can’t predict what palmeiri goes for..... but even if we call palms and Rakell a wash or fairly close.... what do you imagine you trade for palmeiri this year

In recent years, guys like that have gone for a second round pick and a second tier prospect (2nd round value).
Or just two seconds.
If the leafs are trading for rakell and the ducks want Amirov (2020 15th overall pick who has had a solid year), that should be the entirety of the deal.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

In recent years, guys like that have gone for a second round pick and a second tier prospect (2nd round value).
Or just two seconds.
If the leafs are trading for rakell and the ducks want Amirov (2020 15th overall pick who has had a solid year), that should be the entirety of the deal.

The only problem with that is that the ducks would have to retain on Rakell... which adds value. I agree a 1st + amirov is too much as suggested by others .... I think amirov alone w/ Rakell at 50% is prob to low.

A lot also depends on where they see amirov value

 

[Adam da bomb]

Rakell is at least as good as when the jets rented Hayes which cost us a 1st and Lemieux. Don’t know how just a 1st is good enough without a b prospect. Not to mention Rakell has more term and the retention. Also a regular draft year not this messed up one where 1st held more value.

 

[Fogelhund]

buffalo isn’t doing Andersen for Ullmark

What do you believe the cost for Ullmark would be?

 

[John Mandalorian]

There’s about three weeks until the deadline and three weeks after that.

At what point does it no longer make sense to trade with US based teams considering the two week quarantine?

Columbus is far from out of it, btw.

 

[Jerkbait]

Amirov + 2021 1rst should be used on Ekholm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>before Rakell

This is true ...

 

[McJedi]

I wouldnt do Amirov and a 1st. especially the 2022 1st. but would be ok with doing him with an add.

I liked it from Anaheim’s perspective for good value. But two playoff runs with Rakell at $1.9mm AAV won’t come cheap. Maybe change it to Amirov, a 3rd in 2021 and a 2nd in 2022. Gotta pay up for the retention on an already good contract. Or see if they want Liljegren instead of the picks. Rakell with 50% retention will cost to good assets. One will need to be really good.

 

[McJedi]

Amirov + 1st for Rakell seems like over kill from the leafs

It would be without retention. At a $1.9mm AAV, its fair value.

 

[TS Quint]

What do you believe the cost for Ullmark would be?

The Sabres have nothing behind Ullmark. They can’t trade him unless they were given a real good reason. Leafs have another Tukka Rask to trade?

 

[Fogelhund]

The Sabres have nothing behind Ullmark. They can’t trade him unless they were given a real good reason. Leafs have another Tukka Rask to trade?

He's a UFA anyway, and given what's going on there, he might be out the exit soon.

 

[Spirit of 67]

I think the time to trade Fred was last off season.

I fully expect he will be here for the duration, now.

 

[Spirit of 67]

Columbus is "out of it"? You might want to check the standings.

Correct.

If you're tied for a playoff spot but the OP needs you to be out of the race, you're out of the race.
Chicago suffers the same fate.

I don't make the rules.

 

[Stuart Little]

Ya Columbus is definitely out of it - at the very best they are 4th - which = a quick exit to Tampa

so.... they definitely arent buyers - but rather are sellers

 

[Faltorvo]

There’s about three weeks until the deadline and three weeks after that.

At what point does it no longer make sense to trade with US based teams considering the two week quarantine?

Columbus is far from out of it, btw.

Not really a big worry,,the key for the adds is the POs,,1 week to play ,then it's go time

 

[John Mandalorian]

Not really a big worry,,the key for the adds is the POs,,1 week to play ,then it's go time

Fair enough. I just see the current set up as being messy. In theory, Canadian teams would have to beat offers for players from American teams. American teams might offer more because there's no two week wait. Canadian teams might not want to give up as much without having a player for a longer duration. Yes, there's the playoffs but before that, there's also the jostling for position and trying to ensure you make the play offs.

Then there's also the issue of not enough separation between the teams. When the trade deadline happens, I question how many teams will be sellers (ie conceding that they won't make the playoffs).

 

[Faltorvo]

Fair enough. I just see the current set up as being messy. In theory, Canadian teams would have to beat offers for players from American teams. American teams might offer more because there's no two week wait. Canadian teams might not want to give up as much without having a player for a longer duration. Yes, there's the playoffs but before that, there's also the jostling for position and trying to ensure you make the play offs.

Then there's also the issue of not enough separation between the teams. When the trade deadline happens, I question how many teams will be sellers (ie conceding that they won't make the playoffs).

Det/NJ/Buff/SJ/Anah/Ott

are sellers right now