Post-Game Talk: Leafs 5, Pens 2 - Ref Off

[Andy99]

I am debating wheter to go buy more beer or to go to bed.

I highly recommend beer...

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

FWIW the goaltender interference thing seems to be a big problem league-wide, especially this year.

Though, I mean... lets just kinda cut the pretense and go with "NHL reffing is a big problem. Full stop."

 

[The Greatest 101]

It's Babcock's team.What do you expect?

Other than that, team didn't play well as a whole imo. Possesion means nothing if you can't score. I don't blame the defense and goaltender.They can only do so much due to the ability. The forwards need to be shuffled a bit.

 

[chethejet]

Bad call on a play that is normally no goal call and then allow the coach to challenge it. Secondly, the call on Oleksiak on Marleau was BS. He has every right to hit him as he was in contact with the puck. If he ht him or interfered after that yes the call is correct. Just seemed to me Pens didn't get the bounces but man the effort was Ok but not near what it needs to be. This will be a trade that works next year as Pens can make some moves that are needed.

 

[EightyOne]

....

+ I'm drunk and I listened to good music instead of watching the entire **** show

Need to know what music..

I am debating wheter to go buy more beer or to go to bed.

Beer. Then you can sleep until the Stars game.

 

[Shady Machine]

I can't help but think that Babcock repeatedly complaining about his team getting jobbed on goaltender interference calls had something to do with the call on Dumo.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

It's Babcock's team.What do you expect?

Other than that, team didn't play well as a whole imo. Possesion means nothing if you can't score. I don't blame the defense and goaltender.They can only do so much due to the ability. The forwards need to be shuffled a bit.

Spot on.

 

[RustyRazor]

I'll put it this way, once we were down 2-0 I didn't feel as though we were in danger of winning. We weren't sharp tonight. Not defensively, not on special teams and not in executiing on scoring chances.

Can't say I disagree with any of that, would've liked to have seen how the team responded had Dumo's goal stood. This offense has a habit of scoring in bunches, like at the end of the game.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

What kind of beer?

Wheat beer probably. I am leaning more towards "going to bed though"

 

[The Old Master]

Jooris looked solid. Better than his linemates for sure.

He’s basically Rowney but with wheels.

I think he would make a better wing than sheahan

 

[Zirakzigil]

Jooris looked solid. Better than his linemates for sure.

He’s basically Rowney but with wheels.

Jooris looked like Jooris that played for the Flames tonight. Give him limited minutes and he will be a high energy guy who gives it all every shift. I hope he stays in the lineup. Hes better then Rowney in all aspects.

 

[LOGiK]

I mean c'mon, the Penguins looked good, but..

 

[Richard]

As a positive I'm greatly enjoying trolling Maple Leaf fans on the main boards. Might finish this bottle of bourbon and call it a night

 

[molon labe]

Might be in the minority believing the Pens were utterly outplayed for much of the game leading to that call - so I didn't want to blame the game on one instance. However - the fact that it resulted in a penalty and a 4 goal difference compared to a 2, you can fairly blame the outcome of that game on an utterly terrible call.

Why it's not close: The call was made in real time - meaning the ref didn't see the minuscule head contact and thought that Anderson had his pad pushed or something. That is ridiculous to assume on a cross body play that he'd have the strength to do that with a defender on him. Anderson didn't fall down or spin around, so you can't assume he smacked into the goalie in real time or anything like that... Second - under review, Hainsey clearly pushed him into his own goalie (I remember him doing that to MM far too frequently with zero benefit to the Pens)... so what they're saying is that if someone like McDavid smokes your defender - shove him into your netminder to help alleviate the goal... no longer should you hook or slash and take a penalty - now you can benefit your team by earning a penalty WHILST ruining a goal! Utter crap. Clearly he had it in his mind that TO was earning a call tonight because of some past instance, which is a horrible outcome for professional sports.

Other than that, the team as a whole has been so streaky I've got to assume they're letting off the gas. They control possession tonight for a 5 minute stretch, then just mail it in defensively (+ stupid lazy passes) for an equal amount of time.

 

[Ugene Magic]

I am debating wheter to go buy more beer or to go to bed.

Okay. I'm done.

 

[Ryder71]

Can't say I disagree with any of that, would've liked to have seen how the team responded had Dumo's goal stood. This offense has a habit of scoring in bunches, like at the end of the game.

I was glad we had some push back at the end, that's one positive we can take into tomorrow.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

I legitimately don't understand the reality that some people are living in when they trash Jarry. Listen, he's not perfect. He has had his ups and downs. Fair criticism is obviously fine, but I've lost count of how many times I've seen people say he's trash or that he doesn't have a future in the NHL. He's 22, he's a rookie. He's not Matt Murray. Nobody is. Matt Murray is a freak, an outlier. There won't be another Murray for years or perhaps even decades. What's happening with Jarry is a normal growth curve for a talented young goalie. Carey Price ate **** in Montreal for years until he figured it out. This is normal. It's not his fault that there's no veteran backup to step in while Murray's injured. I just don't understand the negativity at all. It's so overblown.

This needs to be highlighted. Murray’s development curve is something you never expect. It makes no sense. He put up bad numbers in juniors until something clicked in his final year, then he dominated the AHL and then he didn’t miss a beat in the nhl. 13 RS games and then he handled the playoffs. It took him 3 years to go from a forgettable prospect to winning the cup.

Anyone who said Jarry was better than him now or would be soon was being ridiculous. Maybe Jarry is never better than he is now but expecting him to be Murray was dumb.

 

[Andy99]

The forwards need to spend more time backchecking and supporting the D...it'd be nice if people could pressure their man...too many mistakes
The offense will be better and get better quality scoring chances if they work harder on defense and generating TOs
Letang needs to stop being as predictable as death and taxes, and find a brain somewhere...

Oh wait, I'm on Earth 2 now...

 

[LOGiK]

As a positive I'm greatly enjoying trolling Maple Leaf fans on the main boards. Might finish this bottle of bourbon and call it a night

Get in a police chase by nights end and we have a winner.

 

[Richard]

Get in a police chase by nights end and we have a winner.

I'm suppose to play hockey lmao

 

[Speaking Moistly]

Gary said basically make the call and don’t overthink it. Maybe the refs heard flip a coin.

His mistake was assuming they think. Well, think about anything other than their own importance.

 

[Shady Machine]

Might be in the minority believing the Pens were utterly outplayed for much of the game leading to that call - so I didn't want to blame the game on one instance. However - the fact that it resulted in a penalty and a 4 goal difference compared to a 2, you can fairly blame the outcome of that game on an utterly terrible call.

Why it's not close: The call was made in real time - meaning the ref didn't see the minuscule head contact and thought that Anderson had his pad pushed or something. That is ridiculous to assume on a cross body play that he'd have the strength to do that with a defender on him. Anderson didn't fall down or spin around, so you can't assume he smacked into the goalie in real time or anything like that... Second - under review, Hainsey clearly pushed him into his own goalie (I remember him doing that to MM far too frequently with zero benefit to the Pens)... so what they're saying is that if someone like McDavid smokes your defender - shove him into your netminder to help alleviate the goal... no longer should you hook or slash and take a penalty - now you can benefit your team by earning a penalty WHILST ruining a goal! Utter crap. Clearly he had it in his mind that TO was earning a call tonight because of some past instance, which is a horrible outcome for professional sports.

Other than that, the team as a whole has been so streaky I've got to assume they're letting off the gas. They control possession tonight for a 5 minute stretch, then just mail it in defensively (+ stupid lazy passes) for an equal amount of time.

I assume that Dumo got called for the head contact not pushing his pad. From the refs angle he would have seen Dumo's arm bump Andersen in the head. It's obviously a terrible call, but that's my assumption from the angle. No way a ref calls goalie interference penalty for a stick pushing a pad across the goal line.

 

[LOGiK]

Im sorry is this Jarry or Murray.

 

[Andy99]

Need to know what music..



Beer. Then you can sleep until the Stars game.

Well, I went through a Sweet, Romeo Void and Cars marathon, topped off by Joe Walsh...what a night...

 

[EightyOne]

Oh wait, I'm on Earth 2 now...

You should try Earth 7. Every meal is a steak, money grows on trees, and Mario never had cancer.