ULF_55
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Exactly, he deserves punishment for what he did.
He doesn't deserve punishment for what someone else did some other place and some other time.
Confirmed with Link: Leaf scout Lindsay Hofford charged
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Exactly, he deserves punishment for what he did.
He doesn't deserve punishment for what someone else did some other place and some other time.
Mess
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It is an isolated instance and rest assured he isn't picking up and driving kids.
I provided a link earlier to his company. You should check it out, pretty impressive minus the taxi service!
Isn't that the Link that I provided earlier?
The resume point was made to reference a possible job loss expectation on his part as Leaf management decision.
He already has a backup plan (or had).
Pro Hockey Development (Founder & CEO). (http://www.prohoc.com/page/show/660237-staff)
I wouldn't be surprised if he faced further repercussion from Leafs management in addition to what the judge hands down.
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just to address everything -
Re: the Tim Horton/RoR Comparison. There were a bunch of people who thought he was horrible - and there was an equal bunch of people who was like he did his time, whatever and laughed about it. I didn't 'make' it up. It is really amazing how a lot of people tend to hand-wave things in regards to what NHL employed people (GMs, Players, in this case Scouts) do unless it's completely and utterly egregious. and even then - I've seen some people try to dismiss fact of a "who cares, boys will be boys mentality." which - I think is wrong.
No - I will admit that I do not golf, so i don't know what people do regarding a golf-cart or how people act around them but impaired driving of any kind (exhaustion, drugs, alcohol) of any kind of vehicle is selfish and wrong. I don't understand why it's different because everyone does it at the golf course and/or park - or why it's different because it's a 800lb golf cart as if that won't seriously hurt someone.
Driving Under the Influence in my very humble opinion - and because of my experience - does get painted under the same harsh brush. if you are going to drink, or toke up, or take pain meds, or whatever - fine. I'm not judging that. but if you get behind the wheel of anything that can seriously hurt someone else and not your own person then quite frankly, I am going to judge. because it's 2017. People should know better.
but whatever. if people want to think i'm too overly sensitive for sharing my opinion about something serious (note i didn't even say that i'd pitch to get him fired or whatever). but i do think this attitude of "Who cares what he did as long as he scouts well" is very.. blase.
but whatever.
Re: the Tim Horton/RoR Comparison. There were a bunch of people who thought he was horrible - and there was an equal bunch of people who was like he did his time, whatever and laughed about it. I didn't 'make' it up. It is really amazing how a lot of people tend to hand-wave things in regards to what NHL employed people (GMs, Players, in this case Scouts) do unless it's completely and utterly egregious. and even then - I've seen some people try to dismiss fact of a "who cares, boys will be boys mentality." which - I think is wrong.
No - I will admit that I do not golf, so i don't know what people do regarding a golf-cart or how people act around them but impaired driving of any kind (exhaustion, drugs, alcohol) of any kind of vehicle is selfish and wrong. I don't understand why it's different because everyone does it at the golf course and/or park - or why it's different because it's a 800lb golf cart as if that won't seriously hurt someone.
Driving Under the Influence in my very humble opinion - and because of my experience - does get painted under the same harsh brush. if you are going to drink, or toke up, or take pain meds, or whatever - fine. I'm not judging that. but if you get behind the wheel of anything that can seriously hurt someone else and not your own person then quite frankly, I am going to judge. because it's 2017. People should know better.
but whatever. if people want to think i'm too overly sensitive for sharing my opinion about something serious (note i didn't even say that i'd pitch to get him fired or whatever). but i do think this attitude of "Who cares what he did as long as he scouts well" is very.. blase.
but whatever.
ULF_55
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I don't think you're overly sensitive about it, otherwise you'd keep it to yourself.
And sure we can talk about what-if scenarios, but that has nothing to with Hofford does it? We don't have to say what if Hofford did such and such because we can just discuss what he actually did.
He was definitely stupid, no debate there.
In fairness the hypothetical scenario's only started when a few posters tried to act as though stealing a golf cart from an amusement park after hours while drunk, getting into accident and fleeing the scene was just a regular Muskoka weekend.
"CULTURE" ... how much did that get rammed down our throats? I guess theres a line somewhere in the org chart where "culture" doesn't apply and you aren't held accountable for your actions the same way as people above you. So disappointing. You **** up, you lose your job. Thats the way I want it to be. Anything else breeds mediocrity.
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Hello good sir. Here to inform:
Merritt v Tigercat Industries 2016 - Ontario Superior Court case from last year
https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/d...ml?autocompleteStr=tigercat&autocompletePos=3
The Court confirmed that criminal charges for off-duty conduct alone do not constitute just cause for dismissal. In order for off-duty conduct to constitute just cause for dismissal, there must be a justifiable connection between the off-duty conduct and the employer or the nature of employment.
As for "conduct clauses," very debatable.
It's life, he didn't hurt anyone, get over it. The fake outrage is gross. Get over it people, think about all the times you've had a couple to drink... I'm sure you probably weren't a model citizen then either.
and some people are crying bloody murder of him taking a damn Golf Cart. If he wasn't a leaf scout this would have never made news. It's summer, people drink and make mistakes.
Chill out
Had a couple of golf cart laughs in my 20's when it was fun to drink too much and hit an outhouse or hit another cart from behind at the tee. I always chalked it up to being young, drunk, and stupid. Not gonna get heavy here because it's obviously not my place but there is an invisible indistinct line in everyone's personal life, family life, and professional life when alcohol affects behaviour a bit too often and a bit too consequentially. I have no idea if this applies to Hofford. I hope this incident is very rare in his life and he is a healthy person.
Back to hockey...
Stop trying to normalize stealing a golf cart and fleeing from an accident. It's not normal to steal a golf cart from an amusement park.
The scout deserves whatever punishment this usually gets. He's facing five different charges.
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Good post and to add to it no one is crying bloody murder, the hyperbole is ridicuolus.
alright, mr/mrs. holier than thou.. people make mistakes. **** happens. Get over it, he's probably not going to get fired and it will more than likely have little to no affect on any of our players on our current roster. Not even sure why this is a thread tbh.
But then again it's summer and we need something to dig our teeth into right?
& Quite frankly I have friends who work at Golf courses and this happens more than you think. So it is normal...
klamla
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it happened at an amusement park... not a golf course where carts are regularly used by patrons.
Im hardly holier than thou, this isn't a morality issue it's an actions have consequences issue. You're the one acting like it's normal to steal a golf cart from an amusement park after hours, while drunk getting into an accident than fleeing the scene.
This guy has five different charges pending, it's not like he crashed his golf cart into the sand trap and walked away.
Dang, I had no idea he did that. I thought he was playing an 18 hole course while driving drunkenly....
Yeah, this ain't good for him.
Yeah, this ain't good for him.
ULF_55
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BodaciousBeefBazooka
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Its ok we have tons of scouts. Secondly, he is human and crap like this happens. Thirdly, they might as well make news about the Zamboni driver. Who honestly cares.
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ULF_55
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That sounds like a break & enter.
More like trespass in that he did not leave after the park closed. I'm guessing he wasn't alone and likely the only one who got caught.
bobermay
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I don't remember where I read it, but I thought a section of hte park was reserved for a family function... he may have been allowed in after hours...
Literally never drank and drove, and I drink. Always have a plan if I'm expecting to drink, and always call a cab, friend, or family member if I didn't plan on it.
If your argument is, "he didn't hurt anyone so get over it."
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