Last 100 GAMES = Matthews and Eichel (This is Strange)

[ThewThew]

TLDR ... try harder

 

[Halla]

Everybody knows Matthews is WAY closer to Eichel then he is McDavid.

McDavid
Matthews

Barkov
Laine
Eichel

 

[justafan22]

How many threads has this poster started about Matthews?

 

[Halla]

maybe wait till eichel gets 40...35...30..hell even 25 goals before even attempting to compare?

last year all we hear was his 0.93 ppg pace

well matthews is over a ppg as a sophmore. Just be happy you have a great young C that any team would love to have.
Just as Matthews isnt McDavid, Eichel isn't Matthews.

Happy Holidays folks

 

[Metal God]

Love the "(This is Strange)" in the title.

 

[Semantics]

Matthews was just out there as the Leafs go-to center in the last 30 seconds defending a 1 goal lead and blocked 2 shots in the shift. That is why Matthews >>> Eichel regardless of points. Matthews is a player who wins you games.

 

[Tage2Tuch]

and Matthews is still better lol.

0.89ppg vs 0.81ppg

I like Eichel. he isnt as good as Matthews, but he is probably in a tier just below with Barkov.
probably the 4th or 5th best under 22 C in the league

You realize you just bolded that Matthews is still better then Eichel in the last 100 games, right?

Eichel 95
Matthews 87

in last 100.


What you posted was there career PPG.

 

[Canada4Gold]

You're comparing Matthews rookie season to Eichels sophomore season....

This.

There's also the defensive side of the game to take into account.

Bergeron last 108 games: 77 points
Bozak last 114 games: 74 points

Now obviously Matthews isn't Bergeron, and Eichel isn't Bozak, it's nowhere near that big of a discrepancy. But a straight points comparison isn't good enough no matter who is better defensively it should be taken into account also.

 

[Martinez]

Imagine Buffalo without Eichel

 

[Canada Drai]

Eichel was hyped as just a small step behind McDavid and Matthews was far and away hyped as the #1. Makes sense to me.

 

[Tage2Tuch]

Look, I'm not doubting Matthews is better then Eichel.


But the gap today, is certainly more close then people think it is.

Eichel is out-producing Matthews in the last 100 games, but people still (well leaf fans) think Matthews is closer to McDavid then Eichel, LOOOOOL.

Last 100 games for all 3:

McDavid would have something like 130 or more
95 Eichel
87 Matthews.

SO how is he closer again?

Matthews was just out there as the Leafs go-to center in the last 30 seconds defending a 1 goal lead and blocked 2 shots in the shift. That is why Matthews >>> Eichel regardless of points. Matthews is a player who wins you games.

Arguments like these sound like....I've watched Shawshank Redemption and it has so many great things in it, that is why it's better then Pulp Fiction for the better movie of 1994. (Without having watched Pulp Fiction)

 

[Kyndig]

Nobody backchecks like Eichel does, so the whole effort/defense thing is a myth (at least this season). Eichel has also played 36 minutes on the PK this season and done a wonderful job believe it or not.

Putting Eichel in a different tier than Matthews is also stupid but what do you expect when 90% of the posters being Leaf fans

 

[Tage2Tuch]

I kind of feel bad because I know OP put a bunch of time and effort into this only to have it blow up on him not even a page in.

This took me not even 10 minutes, and I am absolutely loving the responses by every person except a biased Matthews fan. So if your gonna feel bad, feel bad for your boys.

 

[LeafChief]

After returning tonight Matthews still looks great. (I made this thread after it was 3-2 where Matthews had 2 points)

But Not even I would have called this. (And I'll be fair to both men)

Your opinions may change after seeing this. This may surprise you.



But for all the talk about AM being lightyears ahead of Eichel I was shocked to see this stat.





Last 100 Games: (Regular Season)


Jack Eichel- 95 points in last 100 GP.

Austin Matthews-87 points in last 100 GP.



Matthews in his career has played in 109 GP (REG SEASON) and has 97 points, as he had 10 in his first 8. He has a 881. C.PPG

better then EIchel's 808. C.PPG as Eichel has 146 points in 177 C. GPP.


Matthews has 12 more points then Eichel last year playing in 21 more Games, and this year is essentially PPG through 27 this season, (28 in 27)

Well Eichel has 32 pts in his last 36, and actually has 37 pts in his last 40 games going back to last year.



Interesting to me, due to the consensus on HNIC, TSN, Sportsnet, even here that if EIchel makes 10, Matthews surely should make 11-13.


You can make claims about who is the better player but what have you done for me lately is a big deal and you can certainly make the argument Eichel has been better in the last 100 GP, as he has more points.

Especially impressive considering he scored 57 of those at a near PPG pace last year coming off a spranked ankle on the worst offensive team in the league. (When his season started) And this year the Sabres are dead last in goals per game, have scored 82 goals, he has 32 points and has helped E> Kane become a PPG player for the first time. Matthews has battled concussion problems too though.



Interesting none the less for the concensus view that he is not in his league.


Eichel does average a bit more ice time But the Leafs are a much better team. Even though Matthews plays a lot of his time with Hyman and Brown.


After hearing this does your opinion change on where you rank the two?

What this suggests to me is they are very similar right now and Eichel just had a slow start.

I mean people have ripped on Eichel all year long and when you consider he has out-produced the NHL's (In Canada) Media's poster boy, well...that should make you think.


What's also crazy is both men have exactly 95 points in there last 102 GP going into tonight but now AM has 97-95 lead in the last 102.


I just never though it was this close, as of late anyway.

Matthews' team wins games.

 

[LeafChief]

OP is sad.

 

[Kyndig]

Matthews' team wins games.

Bolded the key point there for you. Matthews wouldn't be winning if he played for the Sabres lol. Eichel had 6 points in the last 2 games against the Canes and we still lost.

 

[Halla]

You realize you just bolded that Matthews is still better then Eichel in the last 100 games, right?

Eichel 95
Matthews 87

in last 100.


What you posted was there career PPG.

oh I was referring to this season. Even though Matthews is only a 2nd year player and Eichel is a 3rd, he has a +0.15 ppg differential. there is also a +23 differential.

but as i said before, its pretty nice to cherry pick stats to try to prove your point, but it looks like HF is having none of it.

Matthews
NHL record 1st game
led the league in ES goals as a rookie, 2nd in total goals
first 40g teenaged rookie in 30+ years
Calder winner
led team to 95pts, playoff berth. 2nd year team is on pace for 100pts
1+ppg pace year 2

Eichel
Calder nominee
11th in ppg as a sophmore
?

just let it go man

 

[TheBeastCoast]

This took me not even 10 minutes, and I am absolutely loving the responses by every person except a biased Matthews fan. So if your gonna feel bad, feel bad for your boys.

You literally take any legitimate response that is contrary to your point and just discredit it right off the bat...I mean you are so transparent in your bias that it is actually hilarious. Eichel being in the league a year longer doesn't mean anything.....cause reasons. It must get tiring having Matthews take up that much space in your head though. Just enjoy your team my man maybe Dahlin will finally get you above .500.

 

[Halla]

Eichel was hyped as just a small step behind McDavid and Matthews was far and away hyped as the #1. Makes sense to me.

problem was the second Matthews became leafs property, he was viewed as a guy that would have gone behind mcdavid and eichel.

 

[LeafChief]

Bolded the key point there for you. Matthews wouldn't be winning if he played for the Sabres lol. Eichel had 6 points in the last 2 games against the Canes and we still lost.

Watch a couple Leafs games. Matthews has highhandedly turned this franchise around.

 

[Tage2Tuch]

maybe wait till eichel gets 40...35...30..hell even 25 goals before even attempting to compare?

last year all we hear was his 0.93 ppg pace

well matthews is over a ppg as a sophmore. Just be happy you have a great young C that any team would love to have.
Just as Matthews isnt McDavid, Eichel isn't Matthews.

Happy Holidays folks

How about we wait until Matthews finishes a season with 30 assists
or more points per game then Jack Eichel in a season.

Both of which he has not yet done.

MERRY XMAS!

 

[Halla]

can't remember a thread ever going this bad for an OP.
is there anyone else in here that think eichel => Matthews?

pretty sure AM34 blew away jack in a poll and that was before the season

 

[LeafChief]

Regardless, you don't need to try to convince anyone of anything. We're happy with what we have.

 

[LeafChief]

I've never seen an OP crash and burn this fast.

 

[Kyndig]

Watch a couple Leafs games. Matthews has highhandedly turned this franchise around.

They don't seem to have an issue putting up goals and winning without him. Take away Eichel and the Sabres would've been shutout about 7 times this month.

OP isn't even talking about who is better but the fact that Eichel is supposedly a tier below.

 

[Tage2Tuch]

oh I was referring to this season. Even though Matthews is only a 2nd year player and Eichel is a 3rd, he has a +0.15 ppg differential. there is also a +23 differential.

but as i said before, its pretty nice to cherry pick stats to try to prove your point, but it looks like HF is having none of it.

Matthews
NHL record 1st game
led the league in ES goals as a rookie, 2nd in total goals
first 40g teenaged rookie in 30+ years
Calder winner
led team to 95pts, playoff berth. 2nd year team is on pace for 100pts
1+ppg pace year 2

Eichel
Calder nominee
11th in ppg as a sophmore
?

just let it go man

To prove I'm unbiased I will correct you that makes Eichel look worse.

He wasn't even a calder nominee. Panarin won and Ghostis and McDavid were the nominees but calder means nothing if you're in an elite class, if they did it again it'd be different.

Again, it's not that Eichel is out-scoring Matthews in last 100 games, it's that Matthews doesen't have a better season in points per game head to head, and people act like Eichel doesen't exist and Matthews is god almighty.