Rumor: Kypreos - Pacioretty and LA

[Benstheman]

The Mayor and TPF have BOTH reiterated that Vilardi isn't going anywhere.

I don't think this will happen as Boston, who is rumored to be in on the Nash sweeps, probably won't have enough CAP room and will make a much better offer than Rob Blake.

Blake has nothing to offer. He said TODAY the Fake Kings have traded away all of their 2nd round picks, and they've been trading away their 1st round picks with little to show for it (Sekera and Lucic? Ouch!).

With the Fake Kings losing at home to the Oilers tonight, they're a 1st round exit, easy. (IF they make it!) Again. Why mortgage the future for one year of Patches. That guy is gold and isn't going to L.A. unless its for Pearson plus a defenseman (we have many) and a pick. (Toffoli isn't going anywhere).

MTL can get better than what Blake is offering.

I would do it for Pearson + 1st + JAD

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Blake should get fired if he offers that.

 

[Benstheman]

Blake should get fired if he offers that.

He won't. i call BS on Kypreos, as always.

Pacioretty won't be traded before deadline. He played entire game last night. He wouldn't have played if an important deal was close.

 

[smirob]

I don’t think Max playing last night means he isn’t getting traded. Plek was likely held out because a deal is close, but a lot can happen in 2 days for a Max trade to line up.

There will be players who play Saturday and Sunday traded on Monday.

 

[untouchable21]

I mean I guess start high and lower until both sides are satisfied???

Pearson AND Toffoli? JFc Bergevin

I understood it as he asked about Pearson and Toffoli, not for both Pearson and Toffoli.

 

[inxs]

If Canadiens wants this :

1st 2018 + Tiffoli + Pearson + Vilardi

Kings needs more than Patch. (galchenyuk ?, A. Shaw?, pick?)

Add something to be a win win trade.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Wouldn’t trade either for Patches. Next

ridiculous. Neither will ever become what Pacioretty is.

 

[hizzoner]

Max is 30 this year with one year left on his contract with a 4.5 million dollar cap. Habs have got full value out of him. He will want term and big bucks on his next contract to make up for it. Habs would be happy to see someone else pay for it if they get some decent cost controlled pieces but Vilardi and a first this year. No.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Adrian Kempe is 1 goal behind Pacioretty while not getting top line minutes. Sure, trade multiple NHL players (and Stanley Cup champions) for a guy whose greatest achievement is getting pildriven into the board by Chara... Makes sense.

33, 39, 37, 30, 35... dude gets no respect, pretty funny honestly.

 

[angry pirate]

I really can't see LA having any interest in Moving Toffoli but I wouldn't be shocked if Pearson was available as a roster player in a Pacioretty trade. Especially if the Habs were to fully retain on Pacioretty.

As a fan I would really just add futures to he deal, but GM's really value established players. If Vilardi isn't available than you have to think MB would demand one of Anderson-Dolan or Clauge or both.

Definitely think the Habs want the kings 2018 1st. Local boy Joseph Veleno anyone? Worked out real good last time. LA probably gets the option to defer the pick to 2019 if they miss the playoffs.

 

[Benstheman]

I don’t think Max playing last night means he isn’t getting traded. Plek was likely held out because a deal is close, but a lot can happen in 2 days for a Max trade to line up.

There will be players who play Saturday and Sunday traded on Monday.

Off course he can still be traded. But nothing was close if he wasn't a healthy scratch. I don't believe at all he will be traded before deadline.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

ridiculous. Neither will ever become what Pacioretty is.

The jump from Toffoli to Pacioretty is not that big, to say that he will never become just as good.

Toffoli is 25, soon 26. He is in his prime.
TT is already averaging 27 goals in his last 3 seasons, based on 82 GP, while playing for defense first LA.

I can see what he meant, not so much for Pearson.

 

[Pierre Lebrun]

He won't. i call BS on Kypreos, as always.

Pacioretty won't be traded before deadline. He played entire game last night. He wouldn't have played if an important deal was close.

He played 22 minutes (pretty high), have to think they are showcasing as much as possible.

 

[That Habs Fan]

Based on the Nash trade...Pearson, Vilardi and a 1st isn't out of the realm of possibility

Pacioretty>>Nash

 

[KingsCourt]

Based on the Nash trade...Pearson, Vilardi and a 1st isn't out of the realm of possibility

Pacioretty>>Nash

Lol... Wow...no
30 yr 1st line winger
1 year term
30 goal scorer

For
25 yr 2nd line winger
3year tem
15-20 goal scorer

Organizations best prospect drafted 11OA in 2017

Potentially lottery pick in 2018

do you see how gap? The difference between Pearson and patches is not a top prospect and 1rd pick... Sorry i don't see it

 

[Habsawce]

The Nash trade was a lot of getting rid of Belesky, as much as it was acquiring Rick. I still think Vilardi, 1st and something small is enough.

I also understand Kings fans not wanting to move Vilardi. I wouldn't want MTL moving Poeling, but I think it's not as desperate as many think. Kopitar and Carter still have a lot of legs and the West is wide open. Nashville looks great, but LA has the main pieces that can beat them.

 

[SFKingshomer]

Nothing against Pacioretty but LA isn’t in the position to trade their top assets for him. Blake will not do it...

 

[rosscow]

Does LA have any cap dumps to give Montreal? Prices get alot higher if montreal will take back a bad contract as well

 

[BreakingGood]

Ok, but i wouldnt trade either for patches. Nice player but in two years he'll get paid.

It's a hard call. I'm a big believer in Pacioretty, and he's a lot better than either of them, and they're at the age where they probably won't improve more, even if they'll be good longer than Pacioretty. Also, if you're LA, with Doughty, Kopitar, and Carter at the ages they are, you almost have to make that go-for-it move.

I guess my perspective is, obviously you try to get him without moving Villardi, Pearson, OR Toffoli, and if St. Louis is serious about not moving Kyrou/Thomas, then I think it's a pretty realistic possibility. But if you gotta give one up, your choice is between trading Pearson, and not improving by as much as trading prospects/picks would improve you immediately (hurting that "go-for-it" bit), or trading Villardi, and giving up someone who probably gives you a solid shot at another core to build around once those guys decline. I probably prefer to trade Pearson, because I think you can find an undervalued guy who'd be easy to acquire who does what he does. It's a really tough call either way.

 

[BreakingGood]

Nothing against Pacioretty but LA isn’t in the position to trade their top assets for him. Blake will not do it...

Not necessarily disagreeing, and maybe asking because now I'm curious about what Kings fans think, but like... why not? The team hasn't been great this year, but if you figure Kopitar, Carter, Doughty, and Muzzin are still great (granted, you haven't seen much of Carter), don't you feel like you gotta go for it and get what's left out of them while that's still true? I would wanna give this core every chance to keep winning Cups that I could.

 

[Benstheman]

He played 22 minutes (pretty high), have to think they are showcasing as much as possible.

You may be right but i don't think it is necessary to showcase Pacioretty anymore. And if i recall right, there wasn't even 1 scout in attendance for last game.

 

[Benstheman]

The jump from Toffoli to Pacioretty is not that big, to say that he will never become just as good.

Toffoli is 25, soon 26. He is in his prime.
TT is already averaging 27 goals in his last 3 seasons, based on 82 GP, while playing for defense first LA.

I can see what he meant, not so much for Pearson.

Offensively is probably close to even. Maybe giving the edge to pacioretty. But his two-way game is a mile ahead of Toffoli.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Blake already said he won't be trading Vilardi so I'm not worried.

I'm up for trading Pearson + for Patches though.

 

[Pierre Lebrun]

You may be right but i don't think it is necessary to showcase Pacioretty anymore. And if i recall right, there wasn't even 1 scout in attendance for last game.

Agreed on all accounts, the scout thing doesn't really matter though, they all still watch the highlights and Pacioretty was involved in a lot.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Pacioretty played because he isn't a UFA. You sit your captain, who isn't a UFA, and it gets dicey if the right deal isn't there. Pacioretty was amazing by the way...

I hope this Nash deal wakes folks up to what Pacioretty's return should be. Pacioretty is certainly the much better piece, younger, better, locked up for longer and for less... A 1st and a top prospect for 1.5 years of Pacioretty is market price.