Prospect Info: Kirill Kaprizov II: (LW) - CSKA Moscow - 135th Overall, 2015

[Hanji]

Taking this line of thinking to its conclusion, it never makes financial sense for a good KHL player to come to the NHL.

And I don't see how "you're not leaving.....ok, I'm not leaving" is a conspiracy. If anything it seems to be a fairly normal course of business for young stars who try to leave. Russo himself has shared stories of players having their families threatened if they don't "agree".

Unless we're talking about 20+ years ago (during the 'wild west' 1990s and Soviet times), I seriously doubt Russian players are being threatened like that.

I mean if it was true, Russians would be staying far away from the motherland once they made it to North America, like they did during the 1990s and Soviet days. But this isn't the case. These guys, moreso than any other NHL nationality, always jump at the chance to play for their national teams and have the propensity to quickly return home if things aren't going as planned in the NHL.

This reeks of Russo preying on outdated stereotypes in order to justify why Kaprizov isn't in the Cities. Very unprofessional.

 

[NotYou]

Unless we're talking about 20+ years ago (during the 'wild west' 1990s and Soviet times), I seriously doubt Russian players are being threatened like that.

I mean if it was true, Russians would be staying far away from the motherland once they made it to North America, like they did during the 1990s and Soviet days. But this isn't the case. These guys, moreso than any other NHL nationality, always jump at the chance to play for their national teams and have the propensity to quickly return home if things aren't going as planned in the NHL.

This reeks of Russo preying on outdated stereotypes in order to justify why Kaprizov isn't in the Cities. Very unprofessional.

Russia is a really corrupt place at the moment and has been for a long time. Add on many of the teams being run by mobsters and there's reason to be skeptical. It really isn't outdated, people who think Russia is peachy after the ussr are just ignorant of what's going on, which is fine tbh. It's fascinating stuff to read about though.

As an aside I think it's pretty unlikely that kaprizov didn't have a choice. Doesn't mean there wasnt some shady influence though

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Wouldn't be surprised if they dangled Olympic participation over him. Wouldn't consider that shady either; pretty savvy on their part.

 

[Zine]

Russia is a really corrupt place at the moment and has been for a long time. Add on many of the teams being run by mobsters and there's reason to be skeptical. It really isn't outdated, people who think Russia is peachy after the ussr are just ignorant of what's going on, which is fine tbh. It's fascinating stuff to read about though.

As an aside I think it's pretty unlikely that kaprizov didn't have a choice. Doesn't mean there wasnt some shady influence though

Sweet Jesus.

 

[Caser]

Russia is a really corrupt place at the moment and has been for a long time. Add on many of the teams being run by mobsters and there's reason to be skeptical. It really isn't outdated, people who think Russia is peachy after the ussr are just ignorant of what's going on, which is fine tbh. It's fascinating stuff to read about though.

As an aside I think it's pretty unlikely that kaprizov didn't have a choice. Doesn't mean there wasnt some shady influence though

Just one question: how often did you visit Russia in the last 10 years? Not saying that everything is fine there, but that "many of the team being run by mobsters" thing sounded like I'm back in 2007 (I wouldn't mind to be back there though, I was a student back then, so it was a lot of fun in those good ol' days ) or even earlier.

Wouldn't be surprised if they dangled Olympic participation over him. Wouldn't consider that shady either; pretty savvy on their part.

Here I'll have to explain one thing: there is a KHL team with some influence over the Russia NT, but it's not CSKA, it is SKA. And since CSKA is the main competitor to SKA, it isn't in SKA's interest to have Kaprizov signed with CSKA for that long. So I doubt that by that signing Kaprizov improved his Olympic chances.

 

[Drewcifer]

I can understand why Kaprizov might want to stay in Russia. He will be making similar money over the next two years regardless of where he plays. He gets to be a star in his home country, where he speaks the language and knows the culture. He gets to play in Moscow which has the same allure of the big city for Russians as New York and London do in the English speaking world. When the contract is done, the NHL will still be there if he wants it.

Does he speak English? If not it gives him a few years to learn before he comes over which would make the non-hockey parts of his life easier if he came over here. We tend to see hockey players as just athletes, but they are also human beings with lives outside of sports. Maybe there are parts of his life that make him more comfortable staying in Russia. It doesn't necessarily have to be forever.

 

[Zine]

People need to stop viewing him solely as a commodity or asset. Leaving home for the NHL is an immense life altering venture, and comes with inherent risks.

Of course his ultimate objective is the NHL (as it should be), but christ almighty, he's 20.
You can't blame a person for choosing to 'get all his ducks in a row' before making the big jump. And by that I mean becoming financially secure, developing his game, maturing as a person. From everything I'm reading it appears his father is really pushing this angle.

Just because a player doesn't drop everything he's doing in life to bow down to the almighty NHL at first chance doesn't mean he isn't striving to be the best, or that something 'shady' is occurring.
Kaprizov will hit the NHL running when he eventually makes the jump.

 

[57special]

People need to stop viewing him solely as a commodity or asset. Leaving home for the NHL is an immense life altering venture, and comes with inherent risks.

Of course his ultimate objective is the NHL (as it should be), but christ almighty, he's 20.
You can't blame a person for choosing to 'get all his ducks in a row' before making the big jump. And by that I mean becoming financially secure, developing his game, maturing as a person. From everything I'm reading it appears his father is really pushing this angle.

Just because a player doesn't drop everything he's doing in life to bow down to the almighty NHL at first chance doesn't mean he isn't striving to be the best, or that something 'shady' is occurring.
Kaprizov will hit the NHL running when he eventually makes the jump.

In some ways, his situation has similarities to Casey Mittelstadt's.

 

[Wildfish]

Reminds me of Mikko years ago. There were people really unhappy he stayed in Finland the extra years. Thought the military service thing was just an excuse for something...

 

[Victorious Secret]

Koivu did his service in 2011. Unless you are saying Mikael. Then it makes sense.

 

[Binister]

Reminds me of Mikko years ago. There were people really unhappy he stayed in Finland the extra years. Thought the military service thing was just an excuse for something...

Granny stayed in Finland for two seasons to finish high school and serve the military. Koivu was there at the same time so I would guess Koivu wasn't actually doing nothing but getting himself ready to NHL playing in TPS.

 

[MuckOG]

The more I think about it, the more I'm ok with him making this decision. If I'm correct, he'll be 23 or 24 when his extension is over. That's still a young player, by any stretch.

 

[NotYou]

Just one question: how often did you visit Russia in the last 10 years? Not saying that everything is fine there, but that "many of the team being run by mobsters" thing sounded like I'm back in 2007 (I wouldn't mind to be back there though, I was a student back then, so it was a lot of fun in those good ol' days ) or even earlier.



Here I'll have to explain one thing: there is a KHL team with some influence over the Russia NT, but it's not CSKA, it is SKA. And since CSKA is the main competitor to SKA, it isn't in SKA's interest to have Kaprizov signed with CSKA for that long. So I doubt that by that signing Kaprizov improved his Olympic chances.

Never, I'd like to go though. Jelly of you studying there. How have things changed since 07 and what's your source?

You're assuming things I didn't say or believe. I don't think he was forced to say. The Olympics have nothing to do with it. Well, save the doping scandal which makes it obvious Putin cares about sports and will break laws to win. I have no idea if he or anyone important working the government cares enough about the khl to threaten players Which is why I didn't make that accusation. All I'm saying is there's reason to be skeptical and not assume everything is legit

You don't need to go somewhere to know it has serious issues. An internet connection, some free time, and an ability to discern bs is sufficient. Is Venezuela corrupt? Have you been? If not how do you know?

Sweet Jesus.

You do realize I'm not saying Russians are bad people....right?

 

[Nharris31]

Now finally back to regular programming of Kaprizov highlights.

 

[Kshahdoo]

By far was the best CSKA player. Probably the only one, who came to play. It's so hard to understand why is he always so dangerous. He isn't superfast, he doesn't dangle supercute... It's probably because he thinks the game like very few do.

 

[Minnesnota]

By far was the best CSKA player. Probably the only one, who came to play. It's so hard to understand why is he always so dangerous. He isn't superfast, he doesn't dangle supercute... It's probably because he thinks the game like very few do.

Yep watching the game all I could think of was how well he drives play. One of the few prospects I've watched over the years where you can see how much smarter he plays the game than his peers.

2 Assists today, good start to his season.

 

[BagHead]

Sweet, thanks for posting the highlight. I love watching this kid play.

 

[Zine]

Never, I'd like to go though. Jelly of you studying there. How have things changed since 07 and what's your source?

You're assuming things I didn't say or believe. I don't think he was forced to say. The Olympics have nothing to do with it. Well, save the doping scandal which makes it obvious Putin cares about sports and will break laws to win. I have no idea if he or anyone important working the government cares enough about the khl to threaten players Which is why I didn't make that accusation. All I'm saying is there's reason to be skeptical and not assume everything is legit

You don't need to go somewhere to know it has serious issues. An internet connection, some free time, and an ability to discern bs is sufficient. Is Venezuela corrupt? Have you been? If not how do you know?


You do realize I'm not saying Russians are bad people....right?

Please educate yourself and stop thinking solely in terms of totalities. It's not how the world works.
Is Russia corrupt? Totally. Without question. But that doesn't mean everything coming out of Russia should be viewed through the prism of skepticism.
If you knew anything about Russia, Russian hockey and how it works, you'd know that nothing shady is happening.

 

[Zine]

The more I think about it, the more I'm ok with him making this decision. If I'm correct, he'll be 23 or 24 when his extension is over. That's still a young player, by any stretch.

If he sets the KHL on fire, there's no way he's staying more than 2 years.

 

[BagHead]

The more I think about it, the more I'm ok with him making this decision. If I'm correct, he'll be 23 or 24 when his extension is over. That's still a young player, by any stretch.

Yeah, end of his current contract puts him at 23 years old. Tarasenko was 20, Kuznetsov 21. For comparison to Wild players, Granlund and Coyle were 20. Koivu was 22 his first NHL season and 21 in his first North American season. The kid will definitely be as finished a product as the KHL will make him by then, and may still be able to develop a little further in the NHL at that age. We see that happen all the time with college kids.

 

[NotYou]

Please educate yourself and stop thinking solely in terms of totalities. It's not how the world works.

There's no way you could've understood either of my posts then said this

If you knew anything about Russia, Russian hockey and how it works, you'd know that nothing shady is happening.

I'd be happy to read any suggestions you have

 

[Maylo]

By far was the best CSKA player. Probably the only one, who came to play. It's so hard to understand why is he always so dangerous. He isn't superfast, he doesn't dangle supercute... It's probably because he thinks the game like very few do.

Remember those talks? "Let's see what he'll do without Omark constantly feeding him." Well..look.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Kaprizov just scored his 1st goal of the season.

And as to whether Minnesota management did it right or wrong with Kaprizov.

Toronto's GM and head coach came to Moscow to meet with CSKA's defenseman Ozhiganov, who isn't even the team's prospect...

 

[Bazeek]

Kaprizov just scored his 1st goal of the season.

And as to whether Minnesota management did it right or wrong with Kaprizov.

Toronto's GM and head coach came to Moscow to meet with CSKA's defenseman Ozhiganov, who isn't even the team's prospect...

Yeah, read that this morning and had to chuckle.

 

[Maylo]

And as to whether Minnesota management did it right or wrong with Kaprizov.

Toronto's GM and head coach came to Moscow to meet with CSKA's defenseman Ozhiganov, who isn't even the team's prospect...

That was Datsyuk lobby.