Rumor: Kevin Hayes to St. Louis gaining steam - rumored to be 'huge' deal involving many players

[rumrokh]

The Blues 4 lines will be as good as anybody’s, they just need to fix their LD

They do need to fix their D, but they have a lot to prove at forward, too. They're basically one good defenseman and health away from being a firm wildcard team that scares a contender in the playoffs. But nearly everything is riding on unknowns, it's not just left defense. I don't blame fans of any other team for being skeptical of success in the coming season or two. But even those people should readily grasp the roster situation and that their core is not a cataclysmic burn-down rebuild age.

 

[TheKingPin]

So a one time 40 pt player at 30 years old is worth a 1st and 2nd. In what world.

The Flyers have reportedly turned down a 1+2 recently for him and a 1st at the deadline before his contract was signed.

He’s signed for several more years at a good cost. Just came off a good run for Canada. One time 40 pt yes, but that was last year with 18 goals. I think he also lead the league in short handed pts?

I would be happy to trade him for a 1 + 2 but that appears to be his value too right now.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I’m not saying it’s impossible. I guess I just don’t think this does anything other than maybe allow then to sneak back in the playoffs.

Worked for Florida I guess

I mostly agree. It's a step in the right direction being able to dump Krug and having a more functional top 4. I don't think it's a top 4 that we can contend with, and I don't think it's a spectacular forward group. It moves us from a team like what we finished as to a more solid bubble playoff team.
It's also kind of going all in with a Faulk/Parayko/Sanheim top 3 defensive group, which is a risk.

The Flyers have reportedly turned down a 1+2 recently for him and a 1st at the deadline before his contract was signed.

He’s signed for several more years at a good cost. Just came off a good run for Canada. One time 40 pt yes, but that was last year with 18 goals. I think he also lead the league in short handed pts?

I would be happy to trade him for a 1 + 2 but that appears to be his value too right now.

The reported 1+2 was in talks with the Blues, and it's safe to assume that the discussions between the teams have never been for 1 particular player, but as a bigger deal, so we have no idea if it was a 1+2 just for Laughton or as part of a bigger package with more pieces on each side.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Hearing Krug, 25 OA and 2024 2nd

Hayes(50% retained), Laughton, Sanheim

’Philly flips Krug to Boston

That would be dreadful for the Flyers

 

[The Blunder Years]

In theory I get it. But that’s not a cup roster, in my opinion.

Avs aren’t going anywhere, Dallas is a force right now. Maybe this pushes them past Minnesota? (Kinda doubt it)

I figured they’d sell off some vets and take a step back for a year or two. Guess not..

It’s hockey so obviously you never know.

I get It, not really top end talent there that the best teams have. Maybe Snuggerud, Thomas, and Kyrou are enough? Maybe Hofer pans out. They could easily grab a dman in the 1st this year to build around too. Not to mention they will have at least another 1st rounder.

Having Thomas and Kyrou make It hard to blow It up because they’re young stars signed for a long time. Interested to see what they do though.

 

[BlueTacos]

The Flyers have reportedly turned down a 1+2 recently for him and a 1st at the deadline before his contract was signed.

He’s signed for several more years at a good cost. Just came off a good run for Canada. One time 40 pt yes, but that was last year with 18 goals. I think he also lead the league in short handed pts?

I would be happy to trade him for a 1 + 2 but that appears to be his value too right now.

Lol no he isn't worth a 1st. Of he was flyers would have taken it.

 

[BlueTacos]

I get It, not really top end talent there that the best teams have. Maybe Snuggerud, Thomas, and Kyrou are enough? Maybe Hofer pans out. They could easily grab a dman in the 1st this year to build around too. Not to mention they will have at least another 1st rounder.

Having Thomas and Kyrou make It hard to blow It up because they’re young stars signed for a long time. Interested to see what they do though.

Blueshave dean, bolduc, snuggerud, and whom ever they pick this year in draft. Then blues have marc andre g, kessel, loof and buchinger on defense. Then we have hofer, zherenko who will both be #1s in the league and content Ellis as a good back up.

Blues are doing goid.

 

[Mike Liut]

Vrana - Thomas - Kyrou
Saad - Schenn - Buchnevich
Neighbours - X - Kapanen
Blais - Alexandrov - Toropchenko

I’ll stick to my statement.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Vrana - Thomas - Kyrou
Saad - Schenn - Buchnevich
Neighbours - X - Kapanen
Blais - Alexandrov - Toropchenko

I’ll stick to my statement.

Hayes fits in nicely on the third line center role

 

[EastVillageBlues]

Vrana - Thomas - Kyrou
Saad - Schenn - Buchnevich
Neighbours - X - Kapanen
Blais - Alexandrov - Toropchenko

I’ll stick to my statement.

If you look closely, mostly are question marks. We can't base out assessment on the last few weeks of this season.

Vrana might be good, but also might well implode sometime into next season. There is even more uncertainly surrounding Kapanen that he is a long term solution as a top 9 player. Neighbours should not be penciled into the top 9 automatically, he hasn't shown so far that he can consistently perform at the NHL level. The entire 4th line are potentially marginal NHL players.

Schenn and Saad are also in gradual decline. While they can play top 6 minutes, it would be better to consider them 3rd line players on a contender caliber team. Buchnevich we will see whether he is willing to commit long term to the organization. We need extend some feelers to him. If he is not committed, we should be getting the best deal for him at the next TDL. Really the only sure things in that lineup are Kyrou and Thomas.

 

[Majorityof1]

Vrana - Thomas - Kyrou
Saad - Schenn - Buchnevich
Neighbours - X - Kapanen
Blais - Alexandrov - Toropchenko

I’ll stick to my statement.

338th - 69th - 45th,
179th - 68th - 59th
403rd- XX - 196th
272nd - 440th - 313th

That's where those players finished in point scoring this past season. None are defensive dynamos except for Buchnevich and Saad. Schenn and Thomas can hold their own. But several are weak links. There needs to be a shit load of improvement coming off that production to not be the worst forward group in the NHL, much less the best.

Edmonton's top 4 forwards had more points than all 11 Blues forwards you named. And not just a few more points, 50 more points than all 11 forwards. 4 players off of Edmonton out scored the entire forward group you think will be the best by 50 points.

I'll stick by my statement.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Vrana - Thomas - Kyrou
Saad - Schenn - Buchnevich
Neighbours - X - Kapanen
Blais - Alexandrov - Toropchenko

I’ll stick to my statement.

Thats a very mid forward group compared to the playoff teams out there

 

[Thallis]

Blueshave dean, bolduc, snuggerud, and whom ever they pick this year in draft. Then blues have marc andre g, kessel, loof and buchinger on defense. Then we have hofer, zherenko who will both be #1s in the league and content Ellis as a good back up.

Blues are doing goid.

Man I love this magical fairy land where not only does every prospect we have pan out, they also exceed all projections and become impact players! Snuggerud is our only top 50 prospect. Every team can name a bunch of kids in the system and pretend they're going to be impact players.

 

[GoldenSeal]

Vrana - Thomas - Kyrou
Saad - Schenn - Buchnevich
Neighbours - X - Kapanen
Blais - Alexandrov - Toropchenko

I’ll stick to my statement.

If this is the lineup we run, Army deserves to be fired. This isn’t going to happen. Expect a chunk of this to be traded off with picks for upgrades.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

Vrana - Thomas - Kyrou
Saad - Schenn - Buchnevich
Neighbours - X - Kapanen
Blais - Alexandrov - Toropchenko

I’ll stick to my statement.

That will get you a top 10 draft pick.

 

[Curufinwe]

If an awful player doesn't want to waive to come to my team, then I fully support him...cause of family and stuff

Just ribbing you a bit.

But in terms of family, if he kids are young, its not a big deal. If they aren't in school, he isn't not moving because of family. His oldest is like 4. It has nothing to do with family. That is a convenient excuse.

The Flyers are tanking so I don't care if he's awful.

Claiming it can't be family related because his kids are young is really stupid. A player could have zero kids and still not want to move for family reasons.

Lol no he isn't worth a 1st. Of he was flyers would have taken it.

Laughton will definitely get a 1st, whether he's traded this summer or at a deadline.

 

[Mike Liut]

That will get you a top 10 draft pick.

haha, oh shit.

 

[Louie the Blue]

If you look closely, mostly are question marks. We can't base out assessment on the last few weeks of this season.

Vrana might be good, but also might well implode sometime into next season. There is even more uncertainly surrounding Kapanen that he is a long term solution as a top 9 player. Neighbours should not be penciled into the top 9 automatically, he hasn't shown so far that he can consistently perform at the NHL level. The entire 4th line are potentially marginal NHL players.

Schenn and Saad are also in gradual decline. While they can play top 6 minutes, it would be better to consider them 3rd line players on a contender caliber team. Buchnevich we will see whether he is willing to commit long term to the organization. We need extend some feelers to him. If he is not committed, we should be getting the best deal for him at the next TDL. Really the only sure things in that lineup are Kyrou and Thomas.

Schenn and Saad are both still second line caliber players, though. They’ll eventually decline substantially but they’re still at a top 6 rate.

As for the rest, yeah, forward group is pretty mid as of now. Could be better or worse depending on how Kapanen/Blais/Vrana perform over the course of a full season.

 

[BlueTacos]

Man I love this magical fairy land where not only does every prospect we have pan out, they also exceed all projections and become impact players! Snuggerud is our only top 50 prospect. Every team can name a bunch of kids in the system and pretend they're going to be impact players.

Actually bolduc is top 50 as well. In one list dean was as well. Go look it up.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

Actually bolduc is top 50 as well. In one list dean was as well. Go look it up.

But that means….nothing until they face real competition. Not a shot. Just being honest.

 

[Xerloris]

But that means….nothing until they face real competition. Not a shot. Just being honest.

So does the same hold true for Bedard? He hasn't faced NHL competition yet.

 

[Thallis]

Actually bolduc is top 50 as well. In one list dean was as well. Go look it up.

A player that has never made the WJC at Bolduc's age is not a top 50 prospect.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

A player that has never made the WJC at Bolduc's age is not a top 50 prospect.

I would disagree with that. Players have different timelines. GMs pick different role players

So does the same hold true for Bedard? He hasn't faced NHL competition yet.

Held true for Brian Lawton.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Vrana - Thomas - Kyrou
Saad - Schenn - Buchnevich
Neighbours - X - Kapanen
Blais - Alexandrov - Toropchenko

I’ll stick to my statement.

Do you consider that a better forward corps than the vaunted lineup that boasted nine different 20 goal scorers?

 

[Mike Liut]

Do you consider that a better forward corps than the vaunted lineup that boasted nine different 20 goal scorers?

i see one 40g, two 30g, three 20g and two 15g and adding Hayes at 3C is another 18-20g. I guess I’m higher on the top 9 than most. We just need a #1 LD to compete for a playoff spot.