Karlsson vs Matthews

[MCR74]

Why would that be your lifestyle choice, that’s weird, don’t get so caught up in it, would be my advice.

Tell that to others on this forum.

 

[Buck Naked]

I suspect that players like Bergeron are on the ice for tons of shots against and scoring chances as well, based solely on the opponents they're asked to play against.

I'm too lazy to look that up

Below are among forwards in the league with over 250 minutes 5v5 this season, which in total is 304 players.

SCA 5v5
Bergeron: 95 (4th)
Matthews: 222 (285th)

HDCA 5v5
Bergeron: 40 (7th)
Matthews: 94 (280th)

The answer is no. Bergeron is just amazing at not letting it happen.

 

[pcruz]

Below are among forwards in the league with over 250 minutes 5v5 this season, which in total is 304 players.

SCA 5v5
Bergeron: 95 (4th)
Matthews: 222 (285th)

HDCA 5v5
Bergeron: 40 (7th)
Matthews: 94 (280th)

The answer is no. Bergeron is just amazing at not letting it happen.

Natural Stat Trick (however accurate that is), has Matthews and Bergeron essentially sharing the same % of high danger changes for since 2019 until now.

	GP	HDCF	HDCA	%	GF	GA	%
1. Marcus Foligno	172	378	226	62.58	112	64	63.64
3. Auston Matthews	195	806	508	61.34	205	133	60.65
4. Patrice Bergeron	188	468	296	61.26	141	76	64.98

Natural Stat Trick

I mean, that's better, but let's not pretend that it's a huge discrepancy between Matthews and the guy that is known as Mr. Selke (and deservedly so)

 

[Buck Naked]

Natural Stat Trick (however accurate that is), has Matthews and Bergeron essentially sharing the same % of high danger changes for since 2019 until now.

	GP	HDCF	HDCA	%	GF	GA	%
1. Marcus Foligno	172	378	226	62.58	112	64	63.64
3. Auston Matthews	195	806	508	61.34	205	133	60.65
4. Patrice Bergeron	188	468	296	61.26	141	76	64.98

Natural Stat Trick

I mean, that's better, but let's not pretend that it's a huge discrepancy between Matthews and the guy that is known as Mr. Selke (and deservedly so)

Why are you switching to percentages? All that shows is that Matthews is much better offensively, which no one ever doubted, and far worse defensively. 508 HDCA is nuts for a guy who supposedly is elite defensively on a top team.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Natural Stat Trick (however accurate that is), has Matthews and Bergeron essentially sharing the same % of high danger changes for since 2019 until now.

	GP	HDCF	HDCA	%	GF	GA	%
1. Marcus Foligno	172	378	226	62.58	112	64	63.64
3. Auston Matthews	195	806	508	61.34	205	133	60.65
4. Patrice Bergeron	188	468	296	61.26	141	76	64.98

Natural Stat Trick

I mean, that's better, but let's not pretend that it's a huge discrepancy between Matthews and the guy that is known as Mr. Selke (and deservedly so)

The high danger count against is over 200 more

Per 60 numbers for that time frame 5 on 5 , over 1000 minutes played Bergeron 4th, Matthew’s 70th.

The HDCF% is close though

 

[pcruz]

Why are you switching to percentages? All that shows is that Matthews is much better offensively, which no one ever doubted, and far worse defensively. 508 HDCA is nuts for a guy who supposedly is elite defensively on a top team.

Isn't Matthews the best goal scorer in the game?
If he were Matthews offensively and anywhere close to Bergeron defensively, Matthews would be the best hockey player in the world by an order of magnitude.

He remains, one of the premier offensive players, the best goal scorer, leads the league in takeaways and is otherwise as dominant on the split between his offense and that of the opposition as compared to the best defensive centre in the last 30 years of the league.

I can't realistically ask for better.

The fact that someone would look at these numbers and think he's not been good enough defensively just explains all we need to know with regards to the blind hatred for all things Toronto on HF.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Isn't Matthews the best goal scorer in the game?
If he were Matthews offensively and anywhere close to Bergeron defensively, Matthews would be the best hockey player in the world by an order of magnitude.

He remains, one of the premier offensive players, the best goal scorer, leads the league in takeaways and is otherwise as dominant on the split between his offense and that of the opposition as compared to the best defensive centre in the last 30 years of the league.

I can't realistically ask for better.

The fact that someone would look at these numbers and think he's not been good enough defensively just explains all we need to know with regards to the blind hatred for all things Toronto on HF.

Lol, did you even look at the defensive numbers posted. No one here his arguing offensive numbers

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

Matthews by far. EK is as much as a defensive liability as he is a point getter.

 

[Ben White]

Using ES points as an argument against Matthews?
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How? It’s obviously not used against Matthews just that EK has been otherworldly in that regard this season.

 

[Ben White]

Good to see that at least 22% of the voters have watched Shark’s games this season

 

[KevinRedkey]

EK has been better this year so far. There's a reason he has some Hart buzz where as Matthews has none (yet)

 

[HarrisonFord]

Matthews. Better offensively and defensively than Karlsson

 

[KevinRedkey]

Matthews. Better offensively and defensively than Karlsson

I agree in general, but the thread is specific about the terms. How has Matthews been better offensively this year exactly? He's heating up, but he was mediocre at best (by his standards anyways) for the first 2 months of the season.

 

[34]

Who’s currently the better hockey player?

EK65
GP 31
G 12
A 26
P 38 (7th league wide)
ES points 29 (2nd league wide)
CF% 59.1
CF% rel 18.2

AM34
GP 30
G 15
A 20
P 35 (12th league wide)
ES points 23 (12th league wide)
CF% 60.8
CF% rel 16.5

You really are trying way to hard here. You are not fooling anyone.

 

[Golden_Jet]

You really are trying way to hard here. You are not fooling anyone.

Looks like it favours EK this year.

 

[Ben White]

You really are trying way to hard here. You are not fooling anyone.

You’re not fooling any objectivity on anyone with that nickname either

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Natural Stat Trick (however accurate that is), has Matthews and Bergeron essentially sharing the same % of high danger changes for since 2019 until now.

	GP	HDCF	HDCA	%	GF	GA	%
1. Marcus Foligno	172	378	226	62.58	112	64	63.64
3. Auston Matthews	195	806	508	61.34	205	133	60.65
4. Patrice Bergeron	188	468	296	61.26	141	76	64.98

Natural Stat Trick

I mean, that's better, but let's not pretend that it's a huge discrepancy between Matthews and the guy that is known as Mr. Selke (and deservedly so)

Why are you ignoring that Matthews had almost double the number of goals against lmfao

 

[HarrisonFord]

I agree in general, but the thread is specific about the terms. How has Matthews been better offensively this year exactly? He's heating up, but he was mediocre at best (by his standards anyways) for the first 2 months of the season.

Definitely agreed with his performance early in the year. He looked rusty to be honest - not sure why.

 

[MCR74]

You really are trying way to hard here. You are not fooling anyone.

Comparing a forward to a defenceman. Brilliant stuff.

 

[Boreal01]

At this precise point in the season I’d say Karlsson but Matthews is rapidly catching up after a mediocre start so he’ll overtake him again soon enough

 

[authentic]

Blocked shots is not a good thing to lead. That shows he's spending a lot of time without the puck in his defensive zone allowing the opponent shot opportunities.

Tell that to Bergeron and other great defensive players. Wrong as it gets.

At this precise point in the season I’d say Karlsson but Matthews is rapidly catching up after a mediocre start so he’ll overtake him again soon enough

Guess who was also a better player the first 2 months last season? Ovechkin. The rest of the season won’t be close.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Will be EK this season, but maybe Matthews is saving it for the playoffs

 

[Signupnow]

Will be EK this season, but maybe Matthews is saving it for the playoffs

 

[Leafsfan74]

Matthews, because he plays better defense than Karlsson...

 

[Buck Naked]

Tell that to Bergeron and other great defensive players. Wrong as it gets.

Matthews has triple the amount of blocked shots than Bergeron. It's not like it's close.