Proposal: Kadri for a blueliner

[Digitalbooya]

No Leaf fan with a clue is trading Nylander or Kadri for anything.

You’re right, I wish we could go back to the Kapanen+1st proposals. Those always ended quickly. Nobody is going to trade you a good dman for your garbage. You best believe if the thread involves other teams young budding defenseman than a player like Nylander will come up.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

You’re right, I wish we could go back to the Kapanen+1st proposals. Those always ended quickly. Nobody is going to trade you a good dman for your garbage. You best believe if the thread involves other teams young budding defenseman than a player like Nylander will come up.

I never said Kapenen+1st for a dman?

I don't think we need one, and if we were to move for one, we could just deal prospects/picks for a guy like Gudas.

 

[firstemperor]

Not expecting a #1D return though. Nylander would never get a #1D in a trade. If you want a sure fire #1 dman than put Matthews/Tavares on the table cause #1 dmen are not traded for the same reason you wouldn’t or shouldn’t trade Matthews/Tavares. I’m also confused, are the Leafs looking for a #1D? I’ve been told a million times that Rielly is a bonafide #1 dman. Spurgeon is an elite #2 that IMO played his best hockey next to Scandella.

Rielly played like a #1, lower-mid-end #1 for one year- last year, and he's young. Depends on your definition of a #1 though.

Leafs are looking for a top 4 capable RHD who ideally has some size, is physical, prioritizes defense and helps block shots. Those are the biggest weaknesses on our team right now. Not necessarily a #1.

 

[sansabri]

He's a #1C signed longterm for 4.5M, he's being valued exactly as he should be. Untouchable.

He isn't. You need to let that one go.

 

[Brock Radunske]

He isn't. You need to let that one go.

So does that mean that Montreal doesn't have a 1st or 2nd line centre?

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

He isn't. You need to let that one go.

He is, objectively. Most models put him as a C in the range of 15-25 (at worst).

 

[Liferleafer]

Rielly played like a #1, lower-mid-end #1 for one year- last year, and he's young. Depends on your definition of a #1 though.

Leafs are looking for a top 4 capable RHD who ideally has some size, is physical, prioritizes defense and helps block shots. Those are the biggest weaknesses on our team right now. Not necessarily a #1.

This has been my battlecry....just got a D 1st top 4 guy that can hopefully slide up and play with Rielly. Don't need a true top pair stud....can't afford it.

 

[sansabri]

He is, objectively. Most models put him as a C in the range of 15-25 (at worst).

No and no.

 

[Notsince67]

Serious overrating of Kadri going on in here.

 

[Mr Positive]

The comparable I suppose is the Vatanen-Henrique trade. There was some issue between Vatanen and Anaheim though. I can't remember it exactly, but Vatanen was being shopped around for a while before he was traded.

Maybe the Leafs could get Trouba that way, since there's lots of talk that he could be trade bait, but he'd have to want to play for Toronto, which could be the case but who knows? I can't think of any other D like that who is rumored to be potentially traded.

I don't think they could get a D like that if there is no x-factor, pushing a trade to happen.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

No and no.

Chance McCallum's GAR model has him as a top 15 C
Dom's Gamescore model has him there too
Corsica has him as a #1C as well
zeke's model over on the main boards has him as a top 20 C

 

[Digitalbooya]

He's a #1C signed longterm for 4.5M, he's being valued exactly as he should be. Untouchable.

He’s a poor man’s #1C at his very best.

 

[Liferleafer]

The comparable I suppose is the Vatanen-Henrique trade. There was some issue between Vatanen and Anaheim though. I can't remember it exactly, but Vatanen was being shopped around for a while before he was traded.

Maybe the Leafs could get Trouba that way, since there's lots of talk that he could be trade bait, but he'd have to want to play for Toronto, which could be the case but who knows? I can't think of any other D like that who is rumored to be potentially traded.

I don't think they could get a D like that if there is no x-factor, pushing a trade to happen.

Problem with a Trouba trade is Jets needs...they don't need forwrds, they would need a D....and the Leafs are a tad short on quality expendable D at the moment.

 

[sansabri]

Chance McCallum's GAR model has him as a top 15 C
Dom's Gamescore model has him there too
Corsica has him as a #1C as well
zeke's model over on the main boards has him as a top 20 C

lol

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

He’s a poor man’s #1C at his very best.

Meh most smart people's models I trust have him in the 15-20 range

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Yeah you don't trade Nylander either, you don't trade core pieces for top 4 D men, that's how you become the oilers

No you become the oilers by not drafting well... grabbing FAs like lucic… and not letting your players develop the right way.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

lol

How about the other 3?

 

[Notsince67]

Rielly played like a #1, lower-mid-end #1 for one year- last year, and he's young. Depends on your definition of a #1 though.

Leafs are looking for a top 4 capable RHD who ideally has some size, is physical, prioritizes defense and helps block shots. Those are the biggest weaknesses on our team right now. Not necessarily a #1.

Disagree. Leafs need dmen that are good at controlled exits. Puck movers

 

[Hunter368]

This has been my battlecry....just got a D 1st top 4 guy that can hopefully slide up and play with Rielly. Don't need a true top pair stud....can't afford it.

Lifer,

You and firstemperor I respect your guys opinions a lot about the Leafs. Based on the quote from him you just quoted and your post then you have no one like that in your system including Liljegren. While he’s talented puck mover.....he’s not all those qualities emperor listed. While I know you’ve been reluctant to part with Liljegren in the past......would you part with him+ to get a top pairing rhd with the qualities emperor listed?

 

[Notsince67]

He’s a poor man’s #1C at his very best.

A poor man #1C who is eighth in goal scoring among centers in the league over the last 2 years. Hate to see what a rich man center looks like....oh wait

 

[sansabri]

How about the other 3?

I mean, the first one you posted had Kadri as some kind of equal to a Benn or Kane type of player (you know, real top flight players with a trophy case). Kadri doesn't belong in that kind of prestigious company.

You can go on about Kadri's great contract all you want, but he's not a #1C.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

No you become the oilers by not drafting well... grabbing FAs like lucic… and not letting your players develop the right way.

And trading core pieces for top 4 D men see Hall for Larsson as Exhibit A

 

[Mr Positive]

Problem with a Trouba trade is Jets needs...they don't need forwrds, they would need a D....and the Leafs are a tad short on quality expendable D at the moment.

they found their biggest success when they added Stastny, so imo that team benefits a lot from depth at center.

But you are right, that Winnipeg does not want to trade Trouba and so if they were forced to they would want to make a sideways move for an equal D, but will that trade emerge? Maybe or maybe not. The longer they wait, the worse the return will be, and they might be looking at a Skinner trade type of return then.

 

[Notsince67]

I mean, the first one you posted had Kadri as some kind of equal to a Benn or Kane type of player (you know, real top flight players with a trophy case). Kadri doesn't belong in that kind of prestigious company.

You can go on about Kadri's great contract all you want, but he's not a #1C.

He would be a #1C on a number of teams including Montreal

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

And trading core pieces for top 4 D men see Hall for Larsson as Exhibit A

See columbus trading johansson for jones.