At the time he was sent down, he wasn't producing in the NHL, though. His last 6 games prior to being sent to the AHL, he had zero points and was a -6 combined in those games.
If the only thing you bring to the table is offense, then you better be consistently producing offense to offset the turnovers and questionable play away from the puck. Ho-Sang wasn't doing that leading up to his demotion to the AHL.
playing with nelson and beau (before his resurgence) on the 3rd line. the bottom 6 probably has 6 points combined since he's been sent down.
he was producing. a sample size of 6 games is terrible.
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On the subject of certain bottom sixers playing over Ho-Sang, one thing that needs to be kept in mind. Not all of them play the same position as Ho-Sang. Guys like Quine and Fritz play center, so they're not even competing with Ho-Sang for a spot in the lineup. And unless I'm mistaken, Chimera plays LW, which Ho-Sang can't.
So it's not quite as cut and dried as saying "Ho-Sang is better than Player X" when Player X plays a different position and role on the club. The NHL isn't like the video game where you can just plug in the guys with the best overall ratings, regardless of position or role, and succeed.
Ho-Sang doesn't play center or LW, and he doesn't PK. So any player currently on the roster who plays those positions or roles aren't even direct competition for him, and thus, whether or not he's "better" is irrelevant. So the only valid complaint should be against whoever is currently playing 3rd line RW right now. Because that player is the guy who is dressing instead of Ho-Sang.
fritz, quine, chimera all can't defend, pk or score. what role do they have besides filling out a roster? this is asinine.
I guess I just don't see him being the difference between making and not making the playoffs right now. So I'd rather they do the right thing for him longer term. Now what that should mean is that he strings together a handful of good games. And then they call him up. For that matter he should've already done it and we shouldn't be having this conversation since he'd have been on the 3rd line making the difference you think he can make.
Instead, he's got 1 goal and 3 assists in 12 games in the month of January in the AHL. Do you really call that up?
the difference being, JT is going to walk if they miss the playoffs this year. JHS can help them make the playoffs. but I understand if you want the franchise to step back 9 years just so we can teach JHS to be colin mcdonald.
his ahl point totals after he's been pulled in and out of the lineup, publicly called a baby by his head coach, and played on the 4th line means nothing to me.
How is how Ho-Sang was producing not relevant? The fact that he wasn't producing AND was a turnover machine/defensive liability is pretty relevant to the discussion about whether he should be playing.
Players like Ho-Sang (high risk, high reward) have to consistently produce in order to justify keeping them in the lineup. Ho-Sang wasn't producing at the time he got demoted. So he kind of made Weight/Snow's decision easy for them.
It would be one thing if he was producing like Barzal and still got sent down due to defense/turnovers/risky style of play. Then you'd have an argument for him. But when the guy was literally producing ZERO production, yet bleeding goals against, I don't see how that's irrelevant to whether or not he should be dressed?
these are dumb statements. JHS is a young player, who is putting up over a half a point a game ON THE 3RD LINE. players like quine, fritz and chimera are high risk, no reward. they suck and also bleed goals against. they offer nothing to the team. 6 games isn't a good sample size. ~50 games where chimera, fritz and quine STILL DON'T HAVE A COMBINED POINT TOTAL HIGHER THAN HO-SANG'S is.
barzal is a center and got a gift-wrapped spot on the 2nd line. he also struggled for 5 games (where he didn't put up a point) he should've been sent down right?
please leave you have no idea what you're talking about.
It's not really a "new one" at all. Teams will often call up guys based on the need at that moment, rather than just look to see who is currently leading their AHL team in scoring. For instance, if Cizikas goes down, chances are the first player called up will be whoever can handle Cizikas' role. They're not going to bring up the offense-only winger who can't play center to replace him, even if he's more talented than the guy who got called up instead..
"hmm what do we need, a flawed scorer or some random ahl scrubs who can't contribute to the team in any way. fritz come on up!"
This isn't something isolated to the Islanders. My Penguins sent Daniel Sprong down recently (similar to Ho-Sang in that he's an offensive winger who is suspect defensively) because they didn't have a spot for him in the top six. It didn't matter that he was "better" or more talented than guys they're playing on their 4th line currently. It's the fact that those guys fill roles Sprong can't (ie. PK, defensive line, take faceoffs, etc.).
who cares about the penguins? they have won cups in 2 straight years. the isles have won 1 playoff series in 25 years. they aren't comparable.
As for re-arranging the lineup to accommodate him, as I said above, maybe -- maybe -- they'd do that if Ho-Sang's production justified it. But when a guy is pointless in 6 games and is a major liability defensively/turnover-wise during that stretch, no sane coach is going to shuffle everyone else around just to fit him in. No coach, whether he be Weight, Babcock, Quenville, Sullivan, whoever, would do that if the kid isn't giving him a reason to do so (ie. producing).
you're right. the team should bend over backwards to accommodate players who have yet to outproduce JHS's NHL totals while he's been toiling in the AHL. Chimera, Fritz and Quine cannot be shuffled around for the likes of him
again barzal was pointless in the first 5 games of the season and he was never in any danger of being scratched. he even missed an empty net on a breakaway.
There's a difference between comparing the output of a player like Quine vs Ho Sang. Coach tells Quine what to do and the [lack of] results are because he ****ing sucks. Coach tells Ho Sang what to do and he just doesn't do it (or does his version of it). Regardless of the offensive results from Ho Sang, you can't have that on your team as it has reverberating effects on the rest of the team. How do you reel that player in when it is absolutely necessary in the 3rd period of a playoff game? How do you teach him good habits? How do you prepare his game once other coaches tune into what he does and we see less production and more consequences? Who else on the team maybe stops listening? Or maybe selectively listens? How long before the whole team tunes the coach out?
I also don't buy all the posts singling out the Isles as wanting to puff up their chest and treat him unfairly as some sort of vendetta or example. This has followed him on literally every team he's played for, be it the Isles, the Sound Tigers, in Juniors, on Team Canada, etc. The Isles franchise deserves every bit of scrutiny we give it in terms of how pitifully it's run, but I always remember this: If you are walking around one day and you run into an *******, well... you ran into an *******. If you are walking around every day and constantly run into *******s, maybe you are the *******.
i'm sure losing every game because half of the team is god-awful is doing wonders for the psyche of the team.
