Player Discussion Jimmy Vesey Part II

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  1. Pavel Buchnevich

    Pavel Buchnevich AV AND GORTON OUT

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    Thats funny. Look at the comparisons and predictions many made about Vesey. Tell me if what I'm saying now or what was being said then is closest to reality.
     
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  2. Edge

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    I don't hate Vesey, I accept him for what he is:

    A 15-20 goal guy, who plays on the third line, has some limitations, and is probably pushed out if a prospect emerges at some point.

    I'm not really sure why we dwell on him as much as we do --- he's a supporting player who every once in a while is the difference between winning and losing.

    :dunno:
     
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  4. Nopuckluck

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    Hits guys, stands up for his teammates. Again. I think he’s a bottom six forward. Don’t know why this position offends you people or why you hate on him.
     
  5. Nopuckluck

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    Exactly my sentiments Edge. Pretty simple
     
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  6. Thirty One

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    **Starts Vesey vs. Buchnevich debates in two threads**

    **Loses debates**

    "I’m not saying Vesey is a better player than Buch."

    Ahh, the adventures of Nocuckluck
     
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  7. Pavel Buchnevich

    Pavel Buchnevich AV AND GORTON OUT

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    He has as many regular season fights as the soft Russian. Is there a problem with your logic somewhere here?
     
  8. mrjimmyg89

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    Cause he's a top 6 NHL forward in his age 22 season. Last guy to do that on the Rangers was Stepan.
     
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    Vesey and Buchnevich are making $925K this year. Vesey needs a new contract for next year. Buchnevich has to wait another year. Vesey will get a raise but IMO it's not going to be a big one. I'd figure anywhere between $1.5 and $1.8 mil per for like two years. It's whatever he does during this bridge deal that's going to be the tale of the tape for him. If he's going on to big $'s he's going to have to become more of a player than he his now.......but for the $925K he's getting now a 16 and 15 (+) goal season is good bang for the buck.
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised if Vesey is dealt this summer.

    For my money, he and Zucc are the most likely candidates.

    In Vesey's case, I think he's either part of a bigger package, or they go with someone in the same age range who brings different attributes. In other words, I don't think he'd be moved for a pick or a prospect (again, unless it is part of a package).
     
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    I used Buchnevich as an example because so many Rangers fans are enthralled with him but hate Vesey. Show me where I said. Espy is a better player. I DID SAY HE HAS MORE GOALS. Don’t change my words to fit your agenda.
     
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    Yes, at ES. 4th liner regularly gets spoon fed PP time for absolutely no reason. He’s abysmal on the PP, worse than Rick Nash bad.
     
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    Vesey doesn’t deserve “proper linemates”
     
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    Omg give it a rest with the agenda. No one has time to for your bias.
     
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    Vesey is among the worst players on the team at ES production and PP production.

    Buch is the best ES producer and Hayes is the only regular with a higher all situation P/60 who is still on the team.

    Stop this nonsensical defense of a 4th line scrub.
     
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    But you said he is spoon fed ES time too? So which is it? Your agenda is showing.. did he not sign an autograph for you at the airport or something?
     
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    Tanner Glass wasn’t given proper linemates to succeed here.

    Bad hockey players don’t deserve to play with top 6 players.
     
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    Both.
     
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    Would rather have a 3rd round pick than pay Vesey $2M a year
     
  20. RGY

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    Oh wow that was quite the logical comparison to put forward in this discussion. Done after reading that asinine one.
     
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    Show me where I said you said Vesey (or Espy) is a better player.

    I think you've found a forum hack. You can't be proven wrong if you are intentionally unclear about what you're arguing.
     
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    What has Vesey done to deserve “proper linemates”? He’s been given every chance to succeed and his production is still trash.
     
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    I would hardly say he has been given every chance to succeed. The same can be said about pretty much a lot of players during AV's tenure. Line combinations constantly changed. The wrong mix of players are put together constantly. A laundry list on offense and defense in which AV does not maximize the strengths of each of his players. The KZB line being broken up over and over again, Eric Staal just totally wasted here, Buchnevich getting bounced around, same with Miller and Vesey. Miller-Hayes-Grabner, great chemistry, and yet they didn't consistently play together. It is certainly not all on AV but to say he has been given every chance when we have an idiot running this team is hardly the case.
     
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    But yet he's 4th in goals on the team. Okay.
     
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  25. Pavel Buchnevich

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    Actually, Buchnevich has a higher ES and all situations P/60 than Hayes.
     

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