I'm not sure I'd take Kris Versteeg for free at this point. At this stage of his career I do not see him as any sort of impact player. He may be a small upgrade to Eric O'Dell, but that doesn't excite me at all, given that the two are at opposite ends of the their careers. I have little appreciation for Versteeg's game.
Sharp is nice, but is not a player with a long time horizon of elite play (most likely). I suppose he could go full Lidstrom, St. Louis, etc. but that is a risky bet to hedge. Leddy is nice too, but Sharp, Leddy and Versteeg does not exactly thrill me, let along thrill me enough to trade Kane within the division and watch him put up on us for many years.
Chicago didn't win the cup last year.
If you want to try to build a team where you trade away young players with loads of potential and team owned years for aging players on the decline, best of luck with that.
I can guarantee you it won't work. Ask the Calgary Flames and the Toronto Maple Leafs how that worked out for them the past 10 years.
Sharp is a good player, but he's 32, and is signed for 2 more years at 5.9MM cap hit. He is most likely going to decline over that time.
Versteeg is a 10 goal scorer. That is 440,000 per goal. Do you really want that clogging up our internal cap?
Leddy is obviously the 'prize' in this deal, but he is small, plays sheltered minutes. He may end up being our top 4 solution but it's far from a slam dunk.
Evander Kane is signed for 4 more years. He has already scored 30 as a 21 year old.
We are going to take on 7MM more cap for 10 more goals and a 4/5 tweener defenseman. In 2 years we could lose the majority of those goals to FA, and those goals will naturally decline anyway due to Sharp's age.
Meanwhile, Kane will continue to get smarter and stronger, and will probably be a 40 goal man with potential for higher than that.
Sure, fair trade.
I stand by my yuck comment. The Jets are HUGE losers in this deal.
Chicago didn't win the cup last year.
If you want to try to build a team where you trade away young players with loads of potential and team owned years for aging players on the decline, best of luck with that.
I can guarantee you it won't work. Ask the Calgary Flames and the Toronto Maple Leafs how that worked out for them the past 10 years.
Sharp is a good player, but he's 32, and is signed for 2 more years at 5.9MM cap hit. He is most likely going to decline over that time.
Versteeg is a 10 goal scorer. That is 440,000 per goal. Do you really want that clogging up our internal cap?
Leddy is obviously the 'prize' in this deal, but he is small, plays sheltered minutes. He may end up being our top 4 solution but it's far from a slam dunk.
Evander Kane is signed for 4 more years. He has already scored 30 as a 21 year old.
We are going to take on 7MM more cap for 10 more goals and a 4/5 tweener defenseman. In 2 years we could lose the majority of those goals to FA, and those goals will naturally decline anyway due to Sharp's age.
Meanwhile, Kane will continue to get smarter and stronger, and will probably be a 40 goal man with potential for higher than that.
Sure, fair trade.
I stand by my yuck comment. The Jets are HUGE losers in this deal.
And yes they did win it last year 2012-2013 the Kings won it this year 2013-2014
Last year was 2012-2013 this year was 2013-2014
OK you got me there.
So you think the Edmonton route is the way to go. I don't want to be mediocre, we need players now who are winners and have experience, this could be the only opportunity with the salary cap situation the way it is. Do it now before someone else does.Chicago didn't win the cup last year.
If you want to try to build a team where you trade away young players with loads of potential and team owned years for aging players on the decline, best of luck with that.
I can guarantee you it won't work. Ask the Calgary Flames and the Toronto Maple Leafs how that worked out for them the past 10 years.
Sharp is a good player, but he's 32, and is signed for 2 more years at 5.9MM cap hit. He is most likely going to decline over that time.
Versteeg is a 10 goal scorer. That is 440,000 per goal. Do you really want that clogging up our internal cap?
Leddy is obviously the 'prize' in this deal, but he is small, plays sheltered minutes. He may end up being our top 4 solution but it's far from a slam dunk.
Evander Kane is signed for 4 more years. He has already scored 30 as a 21 year old.
We are going to take on 7MM more cap for 10 more goals and a 4/5 tweener defenseman. In 2 years we could lose the majority of those goals to FA, and those goals will naturally decline anyway due to Sharp's age.
Meanwhile, Kane will continue to get smarter and stronger, and will probably be a 40 goal man with potential for higher than that.
Sure, fair trade.
I stand by my yuck comment. The Jets are HUGE losers in this deal.
So you think the Edmonton route is the way to go. I don't want to be mediocre, we need players now who are winners and have experience, this could be the only opportunity with the salary cap situation the way it is. Do it now before someone else does.
How in gods name did you get that from my post?
Was I advocating trading all of our vets away? No.
Was I advocating tanking, even in this very rich upcoming 15 draft to get blue chippers? NO.
I was suggesting that you don't improve a team by trading away young elite players with still unrealized potential that belong to your organization for multiple years for aging, declining players who will be lost to FA and players who are no more than cap hits.
The WORST thing you can do as an organization is make a move just to shake **** up.
If you were advocating trading Byfuglien, I'd be on board. If you were advocating burying Pavelec in the minors, again, on board.
IF you were advocating trading Kane for ROR... I would be interested to see what that deal would entail.
As someone who followed the Oilers til the Jets return I can assure you I am not advocating the Oilers plan at all.
Totally understood about older players but I think we need to look at a different angle here.We bring players in now that can help us get into the playoffs and possibly make a run at the cup and do this for a couple of years and 2 things happen.The first thing is we start to get the fans back into it and keep butts in the seats because lets face it without fans in the seats you can't have a team because the obvious no money.The second is other players in the future start to see that we are not bottom dwellers and we are a serious hockey club therefore we gain interest in top players for future trades.We will always have prospects it happens every year and we don't have a problem drafting its trades and signing high end players that we have the problem.Here is the sad thing.We might could make this work with Chicago but Sharp and Versteeg might not want to play here because of were we sit every year in the standings.Im sorry people but we need immediate help to start this upcoming season not wait 2 or even 3 years to bring in prospects.We might have to give up some pieces to begin to be good this year.So Kane is younger so what he is said to have quite the attitude which can kill a locker room.I know a bunch of fans did not like the Thorburn signing.Yes maybe it was a little too long but players say he is a positive voice in the locker room that can keep up spirits of the players.You think they signed him because he scores a bunch of goals or because he fights.Thats not why we have Peluso for fighting it was his attitude and that he never gives up on the ice.What I'm saying is forget about giving up players or trying to find young guys to bring in.We need guys that can be an impact now.If this deal was done tomorrow I would be very happy,excited and counting the days till the puck drops because I know we would be a force to be reckoned with.We might not win the cup this year but I bet we get a lot closer.
Chicago didn't win the cup last year.
If you want to try to build a team where you trade away young players with loads of potential and team owned years for aging players on the decline, best of luck with that.
I can guarantee you it won't work. Ask the Calgary Flames and the Toronto Maple Leafs how that worked out for them the past 10 years.
Sharp is a good player, but he's 32, and is signed for 2 more years at 5.9MM cap hit. He is most likely going to decline over that time.
Versteeg is a 10 goal scorer. That is 440,000 per goal. Do you really want that clogging up our internal cap?
Leddy is obviously the 'prize' in this deal, but he is small, plays sheltered minutes. He may end up being our top 4 solution but it's far from a slam dunk.
Evander Kane is signed for 4 more years. He has already scored 30 as a 21 year old.
We are going to take on 7MM more cap for 10 more goals and a 4/5 tweener defenseman. In 2 years we could lose the majority of those goals to FA, and those goals will naturally decline anyway due to Sharp's age.
Meanwhile, Kane will continue to get smarter and stronger, and will probably be a 40 goal man with potential for higher than that.
Sure, fair trade.
I stand by my yuck comment. The Jets are HUGE losers in this deal.
I am excited as hell about the upcoming waivers. I'm sure Chevy will finally "put his stamp on this team" at the season's waivers deadline.
So you think the Edmonton route is the way to go. I don't want to be mediocre, we need players now who are winners and have experience, this could be the only opportunity with the salary cap situation the way it is. Do it now before someone else does.
I don't think you have to worry. Pitched this trade on main board and not one hawks fan liked it. If their GM thinks the same way we can move on. I do think the coach will have a short leash on Pav, and he was told before he left, come ready.Nope. Sorry as soon as a few others started looking at it the holes became all too many and too big. The age issue with Sharp is just a killer. The other pieces aren't good enough to overcome that.
This ends up back where I started. It is going to be very difficult for Chicago to find a trading partner for Sharp that achieves the goal of shedding salary. That requires them to give up young assets for old and that just doesn't work out however tempting Sharp may be.
I am excited as hell about the upcoming waivers. I'm sure Chevy will finally "put his stamp on this team" at the season's waivers deadline.
What are you talking about putting fans in the seats? You clearly have no clue whats going on in Wpg with fans or the way the organization operates.You are welcome to your opinion but do a little research before making these weird statements.Totally understood about older players but I think we need to look at a different angle here.We bring players in now that can help us get into the playoffs and possibly make a run at the cup and do this for a couple of years and 2 things happen.The first thing is we start to get the fans back into it and keep butts in the seats because lets face it without fans in the seats you can't have a team because the obvious no money.The second is other players in the future start to see that we are not bottom dwellers and we are a serious hockey club therefore we gain interest in top players for future trades.We will always have prospects it happens every year and we don't have a problem drafting its trades and signing high end players that we have the problem.Here is the sad thing.We might could make this work with Chicago but Sharp and Versteeg might not want to play here because of were we sit every year in the standings.Im sorry people but we need immediate help to start this upcoming season not wait 2 or even 3 years to bring in prospects.We might have to give up some pieces to begin to be good this year.So Kane is younger so what he is said to have quite the attitude which can kill a locker room.I know a bunch of fans did not like the Thorburn signing.Yes maybe it was a little too long but players say he is a positive voice in the locker room that can keep up spirits of the players.You think they signed him because he scores a bunch of goals or because he fights.Thats not why we have Peluso for fighting it was his attitude and that he never gives up on the ice.What I'm saying is forget about giving up players or trying to find young guys to bring in.We need guys that can be an impact now.If this deal was done tomorrow I would be very happy,excited and counting the days till the puck drops because I know we would be a force to be reckoned with.We might not win the cup this year but I bet we get a lot closer.
What are you talking about putting fans in the seats? You clearly have no clue whats going on in Wpg with fans or the way the organization operates.You are welcome to your opinion but do a little research before making these weird statements.
What are you talking about putting fans in the seats? You clearly have no clue whats going on in Wpg with fans or the way the organization operates.You are welcome to your opinion but do a little research before making these weird statements.
First of all, he's not from Winnipeg so cut him some slack. Secondly, he isn't totally wrong. Sure we have a long waiting list for season tickets and a perpetual sellout but nothing lasts forever.
It was interesting to watch this documentary on Detroit last night. The city peaked in the 50's at 1.85MM people all on the backs of cars. It was the one of the wealthiest cities in America. They thought the golden goose would keep laying eggs and when it stopped, they had no answer.
Today the city (proper) is smaller than the city of Winnipeg and many parts of it are in the state of ruins.
If the organization doesn't get better, it will hurt the bottom line. It would take some time to get to the point where we don't sell out, but IMHO it will eventually happen.
First of all, he's not from Winnipeg so cut him some slack. Secondly, he isn't totally wrong. Sure we have a long waiting list for season tickets and a perpetual sellout but nothing lasts forever.
It was interesting to watch this documentary on Detroit last night. The city peaked in the 50's at 1.85MM people all on the backs of cars. It was the one of the wealthiest cities in America. They thought the golden goose would keep laying eggs and when it stopped, they had no answer.
Today the city (proper) is smaller than the city of Winnipeg and many parts of it are in the state of ruins.
If the organization doesn't get better, it will hurt the bottom line. It would take some time to get to the point where we don't sell out, but IMHO it will eventually happen.
Not if the Jets draft Connor McDavid. Another decade of sell outs guaranteed.