Speculation: Jakob Chychrun being held out of the Coyotes lineup until a trade is completed

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Just as well. I don't think Chychurn fits long term unless the Kings think they can win a Cup in the next 2 years with him. Their roster might be close in 2 years but I don't see Chychurn putting them over the top under his current contract.

LA is sneaky good. Goaltending is really their issue. A LD and goalie would REALLY move them forward

 

[ManofSteel55]

I really thought Chychrun and Vejmelka for Clarke, Petersen and picks/prospects made a ton of sense on paper.

Nothing about that Petersen contract makes sense, ha ha.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Clarke is going to be better than Chychrun ever was in no more than 2-3 years.

If LA deals Clarke, Blake should be fired.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Standard for him. Non content.

I don't know why people expect guys like Freidman to only report on facts. Speculation is a huge part of sports media, and at least Freidman is still intentional with making sure it is obvious what is rumour and what is speculation if you actually get information from him first hand.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Nothing about that Petersen contract makes sense, ha ha.

Yeah the contract is horrible, but it helps Arizona get to the cap floor in the short term and gives them a goalie to play for them as they're accumulating more picks and prospects. There's a chance that he rebounds and becomes a competent NHL goalie for them, but it's mostly about them getting a goalie to play for them and hitting the cap floor.

 

[Jojalu]

I don't know why people expect guys like Freidman to only report on facts. Speculation is a huge part of sports media, and at least Freidman is still intentional with making sure it is obvious what is rumour and what is speculation if you actually get information from him first hand.

Not only that.

They share what they are hearing talking to their sources and just because a trade is never finalized doesn't mean talks were serious.

You really wouldn't be doing your job as GM if you were not listening to offers, or inquiring about almost everyone in the league.

 

[ManofSteel55]

What I want to know :

1 - Were LA and Arizona attempting to work out a deal with Chychrun AND Vejmelka involved?

2 - Could we see Los Angeles make a goalie trade with Chicago (Petersen+ for Mrazek) or San Jose (Petersen+ for Kahkonen), and then move that new goalie to Arizona in the Chychrun Vejmelka trade, which Arizona would be more comfortable with? Mrazek and Kahkonen contracts both have less term and lower cap hit.

If it was a Chycrun and Vejmelka deal, that would cost a ton for LA. You'd think they still want the 3 good picks/prospects for Chycrun, plus they might even want another 1st for Vejmelka (I'd say 2nd and a mid round pick is fair value for him but I'm not an expert). So that would be at least 2 firsts, a 2nd, a top prospect, and then you have to figure out the cost of taking Petersen (or buying out Petersen). If that's what they're trying to do, I'm not surprised that it hasn't happened yet.

 

[YotesFan47]

Ps - the other thread got locked, Could not find one, so I just made a new one.
Cheers

Just to add a bit of color to this tweet, he was more or less speculating that was the case rather than reporting it was. I wouldn't hold what he said as fact, he certainly didn't present it as such.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Yeah the contract is horrible, but it helps Arizona get to the cap floor in the short term and gives them a goalie to play for them as they're accumulating more picks and prospects. There's a chance that he rebounds and becomes a competent NHL goalie for them, but it's mostly about them getting a goalie to play for them and hitting the cap floor.

Arizona doesn't need to take contracts like that to get to the cap floor. It's the contracts with huge cap hits but little actual salary that they like. If they're trying to inch their way to the cap floor, they're trying to do it by saving actual dollars.

 

[jdfitz12]

Petersen is 3,875,000 for 3 years.... what is the compensation for that cap dump ?

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

If Kings did pry out Chychrun and keep Clarke that really helps the team ease Clarke into the lineup on the 2nd pair with Anderson. Doughty and Chychrun on the first pair.

I would be will to include AK34 in the trade if it was Kaliyev, a 2nd, Iafollo, and Grans or Durzi.

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

Clarke is going to be better than Chychrun ever was in no more than 2-3 years.

If LA deals Clarke, Blake should be fired.

I like how people say this. Until it happens, you can't say someone will be better than another player.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

that was from an earlier report. most recent ones say that neither are involved. Dreger reported this morning on the radio that the Leafs aren't in the running at all anymore actually

I know that there were reports on Saturday that both were out but it appears we are back at square 1 now so who knows.

 

[danyhabsfan]

Petersen is 3,875,000 for 3 years.... what is the compensation for that cap dump ?

That's with the 1.125M buried.
5M cap hit if he's in the NHL.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Petersen has a 10-team modified NTC, which could be a snag, as well.

 

[Shellz]

I like how people say this. Until it happens, you can't say someone will be better than another player.

Agreed. I get not wanting to trade Clarke for him, that’s fine. But, to say he’s going to be better is silly. As a Kings fan, I hope he is.. but we don’t know. No matter how well he’s playing now.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Petersen has a 10-team modified NTC, which could be a snag, as well.

Why in God's name did LAK give him a modified NTC?

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Petersen is 3,875,000 for 3 years.... what is the compensation for that cap dump ?

I mean if Dickinson was a 2nd and Nemeth was two 2nds (the two most recent cap dump trades, if my memory serves correct), I’d think at least a 1st+.

 

[Lt Dan]

Petersen is 3,875,000 for 3 years.... what is the compensation for that cap dump ?

Cap dumps are calculated in Girl Scout Cookies. 3.875 x 3=

4 boxes of thin mints
2 boxes of Samoas
3 boxes of Tagalongs
1 box of Toffee-tastics

 

[LAKings88]

Why in God's name did LAK give him a modified NTC?

They gambled he would be a legit starter. He could rebound but it’s not looking good.

 

[Mattias]

Why in God's name did LAK give him a modified NTC?

Rob Blake at his worst. With a 10 team modified NTC, you would think the cap number would be 3 million.

 

[jdfitz12]

Kings are against the cap. It is logical they want coyotes to eat that Petersen contract to make the trade work

 

[Flgatorguy87]

Cap dumps are calculated in Girl Scout Cookies. 3.875 x 3=

4 boxes of thin mints
2 boxes of Samoas
3 boxes of Tagalongs
1 box of Toffee-tastics

classic quantity over quality. I want a full damn case of thins, keep the rest.

 

[kingsfan28]

I really thought Chychrun and Vejmelka for Clarke, Petersen and picks/prospects made a ton of sense on paper.

Clarke is an untouchable, same as Byfield. The only way you put him in as part of a deal is with a player of the calliber like Makar. JC is no Makar.

 

[Kranix]

Remember, Elliotte doesn't have facts. He has sources, but he is so overly careful, that he doesn't really say anything. People take his, "I wonder if team x doesn't try something here," as there was a real phone call between GMs. Always take his word over Nick Concusseos, though.