Value of: Jacob Trouba's rights

[Maukkis]

Except maybe he doesn't want to stay in Winnipeg.

That's not a hill I'm dying on. He signs or he doesn't.

The other point still stands.

 

[Hunter368]

It would honestly be the best offer. What if you took those 2 1st added a piece and got Karlsson. You have the cap space to work resign him. I maintain that value is value, it just has to be spent properly.

Your saying even if the "other return" you got for Trouba was less value, but included roster players, you'd take that over Torontos package because Toronto's is just picks and prospects?

1) Your speculating you would trade Gardiner for a 1st which would be at best a mid range 1st.

2) Leafs 1st would be late without doubt.

3) Bracco is just another winger prospect that we have loads of and don’t need another.

4) Who said anything about less value, I’m saying getting futures for our top pairing young rhd when our window is now is the dumbest thing ever......other teams would easily beat that offer by giving us real, useful roster player(S) that help us win now......not 4-5 years from now.

 

[Advanced stats]

Who said anything about less value, I’m saying getting futures for our top pairing young rhd when our window is now is the dumbest thing ever......other teams would easily beat that offer by giving us real, useful roster player(S) that help us win now......not 4-5 years from now

So you can't think of a scenario where Toronto overpays with futures and you flip those futures ++ for an upgrade over what you have? If that's your stance, than so be it.

It's more realistic than you think, even though the reality of this whole ordeal ever coming together is zero.

Edit: 1st + 1st + prospect + prospect from Winnipeg(roslovic?) Is very close to what would tip the scales for Ottawa to move Karlsson.
Eussentially Winnipeg would only be trading trouba and Roslovic for Karlsson, which is a steal.
Not an option for you?

 

[Gabe Kupari]

If it's to easy to control an Rfa, why hasn't he signed yet?

Rights aren't worth much, there's no guarantee he signs with the trading team. And then there's an 8m price tag which diminishes his value.

Which RFAs have signed?

 

[OTC]

So you can't think of a scenario where Toronto overpays with futures and you flip those futures ++ for an upgrade over what you have? If that's your stance, than so be it.

It's more realistic than you think, even though the reality of this whole ordeal ever coming together is zero.

Trouba to Chicago for Saad, Anisimov, 2 rd. pick 2019 and Hossa contract.

 

[ottawa]

Which RFAs have signed?

What do you mean? Which ones have signed to date? Probably not many. But their rights probably aren't worth much either. I don't have a bone to pick with Winnipeg here.

 

[Maukkis]

Trouba to Chicago for Saad, Anisimov, 2 rd. pick 2019 and Hossa contract.

Boqvist + DeBrincat + 1st.

Why? Because bad deals come in all shapes and sizes... and cap hits.

 

[Advanced stats]

Trouba to Chicago for Saad, Anisimov, 2 rd. pick 2019 and Hossa contract.

I don't think Winnipeg wants to take on 15+ million in contracts in moving a defenseman who will earm about 6-7 million

 

[Advanced stats]

Boqvist + DeBrincat + 1st

So you complain about a package of picks and prospects from Toronto, but than propose for....a package of picks and prospects from Chicago? I realize debrincat is 1 year older, but it's splitting hairs)

You confuse me.

 

[Maukkis]

So you complain about a package of picks and prospects from Toronto, but than propose for....a package of picks and prospects from Chicago? I realize debrincat is 1 year older, but it's splitting hairs)

You confuse me.

DeBrincat is in the show already. Besides, Boqvist actually plays at a position of a prospect need, and that first isn't going to be a late one.

You can give us Matthews and call it a deal.

 

[Montecristo]

Lost it at Anisimov. Cap dumps are not welcome for anything more than one year. Besides, start with Boqvist.


Backes... LOL

No interest.

What about no backes.

 

[Snowman]

To fellow leafs fans:

I'd love trouba as much as the next guy. He's the perfect solution to any remaining problems we have. It's a perfect match.

Trouble is, if Trouba is hesitant to sign in winnipeg, he likely has the same hesitations about Toronto. Cold? Canada? Fans? Wants to play in America?
I don't know if it's worth the risk to trade for Trouba if he won't be happy playing in Toronto.
We could throw together an attractive package though if he was willing to sign long term around 6 million.
Trade Gardiner for 1st + 2nd.
Trade 1st +1st + prospect for Trouba.

Rielly- Trouba
Dermott- Hainsey
Carrick - Zaitzev

That package would not be close to landing Trouba.

 

[Advanced stats]

You can give us Matthews and call it a deal

This comment just shows you have more of an issue with the team your trading trouba too than the actual value issue.

 

[Maukkis]

What about no backes.

Then you're only missing... *checks notes* an incentive for us to do the deal. Carlo isn't good for much statistically, JFK seems like another C prospect with limited potential (3rd line isn't a need), and your 1st is going to be a late one. There's just nothing that interesting in that package of yours.

Krug + Donato + 1st is what I would ask for. Krug is the replacement and balances out the cap hits, whereas the futures go towards addressing our prospect depth at C.

 

[Snowman]

Gardiner
1 of: Kapanen/Johnsson/Brown
2nd

Or Gardiner & Liljegren with a small add our way.

It would cost you something that really hurts to lose. Not a bunch of crap you no longer need.

 

[Maukkis]

This comment just shows you have more of an issue with the team your trading trouba too than the actual value issue.

That too, but honestly, aside from an obnoxiously big package of great assets, there is nothing of interest after taking positions into account.

 

[CarlWinslow]

Living in this city is insufferable.

"Trouba is an idiot, he's not worth anywhere near 8 million."

Next breath...

"His RFA rights are worth DeBrincat, Boqvist and a first though."

I see this kind of crap all the time.

 

[Maukkis]

Living in this city is insufferable.

"Trouba is an idiot, he's not worth anywhere near 8 million."

Next breath...

"His RFA rights are worth DeBrincat, Boqvist and a first though."

I see this kind of crap all the time.

Good thing that there's a f***ing ocean separating me and this city you so deeply hate, right?

 

[Dubcanesfan]

So let's say he won't sign long term and Chicago wanted to trade for Trouba, would Forsling + Anisimov + a 2019 1st do the job?

I don't think so, it would have to be a better package then that. Plus I have no clue why Chicago would make a move like that when they should start to be thinking about rebuild mode imo. Especially if there out of the playoffs this year again. I think that dynasty is over.

 

[Hunter368]

So you can't think of a scenario where Toronto overpays with futures and you flip those futures ++ for an upgrade over what you have? If that's your stance, than so be it.

It's more realistic than you think, even though the reality of this whole ordeal ever coming together is zero.

Edit: 1st + 1st + prospect + prospect from Winnipeg(roslovic?) Is very close to what would tip the scales for Ottawa to move Karlsson.
Eussentially Winnipeg would only be trading trouba and Roslovic for Karlsson, which is a steal.
Not an option for you?

Bob you see how these trade boards work and how hard it’s to get any agreement on trades........real life we see very few trades either so it’s clearly hard to make trades in real life also......GM’s constantly state this fact. You think it’s so easy to flip futures to real players then purpose a three way trade.......I doubt you will get agreement.

 

[Advanced stats]

Bob you see how these trade boards work and how hard it’s to get any agreement on trades........real life we see very few trades either so it’s clearly hard to make trades in real life also......GM’s constantly state this fact. You think it’s so easy to flip futures to real players then purpose a three way trade.......I doubt you will get agreement.

Like I said...the reality of it happening is zero
I thought maybe we could agree strictly on a value POV, but either way I'm not hurt by it.

 

[Cor]

It would cost you something that really hurts to lose. Not a bunch of crap you no longer need.

(I also wouldn't call Jake Gardiner, Andreas Johnsson & a 2nd "a load of crap")

 

[Flair Hay]

The Trouba trade stuff is so hard for Jets fans. In a vacuum, Trouba is pretty much the 4th or 5th most important long term asset the Jets have.

There is guys more important to the team today like Wheeler and Buff. But there is no replacement coming in a trade for him and no one on the team that can handle his minutes without a drop off in their game.

Scheifele, Laine, Hellebuyck, maybe Morrissey? That's it, he means more than everyone else on the team (long term).

If he wants out, he wants out. But if he is willing to sign, we are better off overpaying for a guy we aren't going to be able to replace. Hopefully it all works out. Because we will get hosed in a trade given the leverage we have and how much he means to us.

 

[Montecristo]

Then you're only missing... *checks notes* an incentive for us to do the deal. Carlo isn't good for much statistically, JFK seems like another C prospect with limited potential (3rd line isn't a need), and your 1st is going to be a late one. There's just nothing that interesting in that package of yours.

Krug + Donato + 1st is what I would ask for. Krug is the replacement and balances out the cap hits, whereas the futures go towards addressing our prospect depth at C.

You need a lw presumably with the donato addition? I’d do Krug + heinen + 1st. How’s that? Heinen is farther along than donato with less upside. Probably 50-60 point upside (47 points last year). Donato isn’t there yet but he’s got the higher upside. Still prefer donato or would you take heinen?

 

[Snowman]

(I also wouldn't call Jake Gardiner, Andreas Johnsson & a 2nd "a load of crap")

They are when you are trying to land a top pairing RHD.