He has 1 Goal 17 Passes in his last 33 PO games. And his last game was 2 years ago. Youre willing to bargain away one of the most promissing asset for a player that...
1. Is too old to carry the pace in the PO.
2. Is not outproducing the core of this team.
3. Is getting slow and -10 rating.
4. Will retire or move in this summer.
5. Even worst could end up staying another year.
so he didn't score in the po's with boston, who can fault him for that, maybe he hates boston as much as I do. He's been ripping it up on a bad nj team.
1. doesn't need to carry the pace, just use his big frame and great skill set to help the offense and PP
2. he put up more points last year then any Hab had, he's on one of the worst teams in the NHL and still leads them in assists and points.
3. we are a fast team so his lack of speed shouldn't hurt us, I don't care about his plus minus as i'm willing to bet he won't be a minus player on a line with Pleks
4. you don't know that so stop trying to act like you know his plans
5. depending on the cost, the guy puts up points, 92 pts in his last 122 games is very good, we would be lucky to have another player that could put up those kind of numbers.
Wow am I happy you're not the GM. KINGS and Hawks became dynasties by not throwing their future in favor of the present and that exactly how Bergevin will proceed. Having depth players like JDLR and McCarron on the 3rd line is how you seperate the good from the great teams.
and in what world is Gelinas a better defensmen than Beaulieu??? Beaulieu would be a 25 min 1st pp wave defensmen if he was playing in with a mediocre D squad like New Jersey.
at some point you have to give up some assets in order to improve, they did it with Collberg last year and I fully expect them to do it again this year but even bigger. McCarron is a no trade for me along with Scherbak, the rest I would easily move for the right price. picks and prospects can only do so much, this team can win now.
Gelinas has 11 goals in his career, Beaulieu none. Gelinas scored at a .5 ppg last year. He's got a big frame and a big shot. Beaulieu brings little outside of his great skating, he's not very smart and his production so far hasn't been very impressive.
We do not trade de la Rose. Absolutely not.
I don't see why they couldn't trade him, yes he's a solid prospect but not a great prospect as his upside if he doesn't improve his offense will be limited.
Yeah I know. We just chucked him in there kinda the way Gainey chucked McDo in to the Gomer trade.
But Montreal is a very good poster and knows the Habs and Habs system very well. He just wants a cup right now. Fair enough. A lot of us older guys feel the same, but I would not do Beaulieu or DLR for Jagr, or any rental, ever.
You need to keep building while contending.
I don't know how any Hab fan doesn't badly want a cup, the '93 cup run was one of the greatest things I have ever witnessed, it's time we take a real run at a cup. Beaulieu I've never been a fan of, never been impressed with his play so if he's traded then fine by me as I like Nygren more.
Montreal I understand your argument and I admire your stand. I think what you are forgetting is that contending should not be a one shot deal. Habs should be looking to contend for a 5-7 year window, and if lucky, win 2 cups.
Therefore: You need to build while contending. And that means not giving up key prospects, but rather redundant ones, older players, and non first round picks when really required. And due to their size, positions, and skill sets, I consider Beaulieu and DLR key prospects, not easily replaceable if lost.
Collberg on the other hand was a great example of a redundant prospect that still had value. I would consider Ghetto, Reway or Lehkonen in the same class, and trade-able for that reason. On D, Pateryn and Dietz might be candidates also.
Finally, there is also very limited evidence of the miracle UFA rental cure. UFA rental route is mostly crap from what I have seen.
With Price, Subban, Galchenyuk, Pac alone I don't see why we would be one and done. Giving up someone like Beaulieu when we have Subban doesn't seem like a big deal to me as I don't think he will ever be anything special (whereas I saw McDonagh play in high school and a ton in the NCAA and did not want him traded)
DLR would be tough to trade as I like him a lot but if it's going to help us win now then I would do it as I don't think his upside is all that great if he can't score.
Actually DLR has a very good chance of replacing Eller, who will replace Plekanec, in 4-5 years, or in as little as 2 years, if DLR develops quickly and Habs trade Pleks. You don't seem to think of time moving on much...
I think he is a key piece, and Habs have no one else like him. He is also a pretty safe pick and still very young. That is why I was surprised he was brought up in this discussion as a trade-able asset.
Do you think next year DLR will come close to the numbers Eller had in his first year in NA? I like DLR a lot but think about how much heat Eller gets around here by some, will DLR ever be able to out produce him?
