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Jagr had almost 70 pts last year, and say what you want about Gelinas but he's a solid defensemen. The Habs would be a better team if they pulled off the trade I suggested.
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Jagr had almost 70 pts last year, and say what you want about Gelinas but he's a solid defensemen. The Habs would be a better team if they pulled off the trade I suggested.
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if the Habs want a legit shot at the cup this year, they need to find a way to score more. Jagr would help and Beaulieu has done nothing to show he's better then Gelinas.
No they wouldn't. Beaulieu is better than Gelinas and is improving every day with a lot of upside. And Jagr for a couple months at the expense of losing DLR is awful.
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Fair enough, if you want to win the Cup that badly it's fine with me.
I like Gelinas and he had a wicked shot. He just needs A LOT of work in his own zone on D. Beaulieu just seems to have higher overall upside. Even if he's not better now, it's at least a wash and I'd look at the deal as getting DLR for a few months of Jagr. Just fine by me.
Subban and Gonchar both have better shots than Gelinas so who really cares about his shot. Beaulieu is the better hockey player all around and is just starting to come into his own. He has top pairing upside, while Gelinas quite simply does not.
DLR straight up for Gelina and Jagr?
You have to tell yourself. Where do you think Gelinas would fit in our depth chart? Better than Emelin? Better than Gonchar?
You have to tell yourself. Where do you think Gelinas would fit in our depth chart? Better than Emelin? Better than Gonchar?
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Didn't I say right in my post that Beaulieu is the superior player and has more upside?
Trading off Beaulieu is off the table.
he is now part of our top-4, and that's final.
Discussion would be DLR for Jagr+, or no deal.
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of course they would, Jagr would improve our offense no question. Gelinas can produce more offense then Beaulieu. Losing DLR would suck but it's time to win now. Plus nothing says that Jagr wouldn't re-sign to play with Pleks.
It's been since 1993 when I last saw the Habs win the cup, as much as I like DLR I would go for it. Beaulieu has never impressed me, he's playing his best hockey but is also poor in his own end and hasn't been able to produce much offense at all.
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I highly doubt that especially as we get closer to the end of the season hes on pace for a 45-50 pts season and will not keep the pace in the PO. I have no ****ing clue why some of you are ready to trade big assets for him.
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Lmao, so the Devils fan asks about a Gelinas+Jagr for JDLR swap, Habs fan pretty much rejects then counters with JDLR+Beaulieu for Jagr+Gelinas.
Wow lol.
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Jagr > DLR
Gelinas >Beaulieu
Was Bergevin high when he gave up Collberg and a 2nd for Vanek? Jagr had more points last year then anyone on the Habs. This year he leads his team in assists and points. You gota give up assets to get something, if the Habs want to win a cup, they are going to need to improve the offense especially the PP.
...thank the Hockey Gods you're not our GM, cuz that's one brutal trade for the Habs...and as far as assets go:
JDLR > Jagr
Beaulieu >> Gelinas
Development and need-wise, DLR is a much better prospect than Collberg at the moment.
What you have to understand if we ever trade away De La Rose:
1- We are not getting a rental or an old guy as the core exchange piece. We want a solid roster player, even if he is middle-6 or bottom-4.
2- We may want to get a rental or an old guy in return (Jagr, for example), but that's only as a sweetener.
3- If we take big salary, the trade partner has to be willing to take on salary themselves.
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Jesus, if you want Jagr that badly, send the Devils a 2nd + Thomas or something & be done with it, Gelinas doesn't bring anything to the table that Beaulieu doesn't & Beau has a higher ceiling. Life after Markov, we need someone to step into that top 2 role, could be Beau, could be Tin, Beau's already playing top 4 here, absolutely 0 reason to move him.
A 2nd is quite a high price, but it would the highest I would go... but I also dont think having jagr eat up minutes is good at this point.
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Who wanted to trade away beaulieu?!
I thought the deal was something like Gelina (roster player) + Jagr (rental) for one of our best prospect. Which is a pretty good offer, all things considered. You have to ask where Gelina fits on our depth chart. If you think he could replace Gonchar on the 2nd pairing, then I'd go for it in an instant.
Playing with Pleky he would of never said no, what evidence do you have against it?
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