Speculation: Ivan Provorov Trade Discourse

[BringBackHakstol]

There's literally nothing more political than the military. It's part of the government and its members who are injured or killed have been put in harm's way by politicians. Typically they are brought out for public celebration as a means of shifting focus away from the cowardice that put them in peril and towards the courage they showed once there. It's the most political thing imaginable. So, if you don't want anything vaguely political in your sports, you better f***ing start there.

 

[Jack Straw]

So anyway can we get to the important topic of how much cheese the Grateful Dead likes to eat per year?

Grateful Dead The Old Cheese Factory - November 12, 1966

 

[Lord Defect]

Not to my knowledge. It's a question i'd be asking if I was a reporter as it's a major pivot to this whole situation.

Why can I sometimes not reply or like a post???

 

[flyerslducks]

I will say.

I am curious when this thread will be locked. The gates to Mordor are about to close I think.

 

[landsbergfan]

Before it does get locked we need to all remember who drafted Provorov...

Hextall strikes again

 

[FlyerNutter]

Lol @ Winnipeg hate being the line.

I know a nurse there in case my little friend wonders what my source is. I talk to him from time to time.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Why can I sometimes not reply or like a post???

I don't have the faintest clue. Laggy internet?

 

[Lord Defect]

I don't have the faintest clue. Laggy internet?

Nah the page just doesn’t load then. This is just random and lasts however long it wants to.

 

[Starat327]

Nah the page just doesn’t load then. This is just random and lasts however long it wants to.

We all asked for thr mods to put a post count limitation on your account.

A) we don't want to hear from you that often
B) we can't have you inflating your post count, because apparently your post count dictates your credibility here (hint: take a look at @Striiker numbers. We're all f***ed).

 

[GapToothedWonder]

So if my hospital had a pride today or whatever, and I came in but didn’t want to put on a tye dye shirt I should be fired, and I’m a bigot? Because the assumption is I don’t support gay rights if I choose to not wear it?

Yeaaaahhhh. Not all change, is good change - and this is taking it a little far imo.

I can be fired for not wearing my uniform, for wearing my uniform incorrectly, for hisplsying unothorized, or for being unshaven or allowing my hair to grow past my ears.

Being fired for not adhering to a uniform standard happens all the time.

 

[Fainting Couch]

Good job keeping the discussion going instead of running and hiding like the main board does on so many issues.

 

[deadhead]

choose to be persecuted? So they love someone of the same sex is choosing to be persecuted? Heart wants what the heart wants.

It is a choice. Nah not for all.

There is no ‘gay gene.’ There is no ‘straight gene.’ Sexuality is just complex, study confirms

A genetics study of nearly half a million people closes the door on a long-standing debate in sexuality.

www.pbs.org

Here's the actual study

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7082777/pdf/nihms-1066422.pdf

Not as simple as the NPR article suggests. Which is why I never trust popular interpretations of scientific articles.

 

[SergeConstantin74]

So Provorov is basically saying he's a virgin? Because his religion says you can't have sex before marriage.

 

[pit]

it is a choice. Except it get over it and move on.

"Moreover, the researchers found that sexuality is polygenic — meaning hundreds or even thousands of genes make tiny contributions to the trait. That pattern is similar to other heritable (but complex) characteristics like height or a proclivity toward trying new things. (Things like red/green colorblindness, freckles and dimples can be traced back to single genes). But polygenic traits can be strongly influenced by the environment, meaning there’s no clear winner in this “nature versus nurture” debate."

This is also from the article you posted. The title of that article isn't about genes not playing a role, but rather that one single gene doesn't turn the switch off and on. It's stating that both genetic and environmental factors play into human sexuality. And no, choice is not the singular environmental factor being referenced but rather a confluence of social and societal interactions.

If you'd like some good reading on examining this, please see: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1529100616637616

The thrust of the article is as follows and I think #2 is particularly germane to this line of discussion:

With respect to scientific and social policy, we offer three general conclusions:
1. Scientifically, sexual orientation is an important, fundamental trait that has been understudied because it is politically controversial. This is a mistake. In fact, the more politically controversial a topic, the more it is in the public interest to illuminate it in a revealing and unbiased manner. Our article is offered in the spirit of progress toward that end.

2. Scientists, activists, and policy makers should reason more carefully regarding potential ethical or policy implications of scientific findings. For example, the issue of whether sexual orientation is chosen represents intellectual confusion, and no scientific finding will illuminate this issue in any interesting way. Although clumsy reasoning may advantage a particular political position in the short term, in the long term, clear thinking is best for everyone.

3. The most common meaningful controversy across time and place has concerned the extent to which homosexuality is socially influenced and, more specifically, whether or not it spreads as a result of contagion and social tolerance. There is no good evidence that either increases the rate of homosexual orientation, although tolerance may facilitate behavioral expression of homosexual desire. Suppressing homosexual behavior imposes an immense burden on homosexually oriented people and serves no apparent legitimate social goal that cannot be reached in other ways.

 

[Flybynite]

Good job keeping the discussion going instead of running and hiding like the main board does on so many issues.

I mean I think it could wind up locked at some point, but to at least attempt to be 'fair' to the main board mods there was a helluva lot more directed anti-lgbtq themed posts taking place there.

Whenever there's an issue like this, or race, or sexual assault it brings out the real dregs to main board topics.

 

[Tundra]

Provorov isn't as bad as Sebastian Bach though. I can post the picture if I won't get banned,

 

[Rebels57]

I mean I think it could wind up locked at some point, but to at least attempt to be 'fair' to the main board mods there was a helluva lot more directed anti-lgbtq themed posts taking place there.

Whenever there's an issue like this, or race, or sexual assault it brings out the real dregs to main board topics.

The main boards are a cesspool.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

The main boards are a cesspool.

The main board struggles with topics like “hey guys, don’t rape people” and “racism is bad”. I’ll stop by occasionally to stare at the train wreck, but it’s almost never worth it.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

He is protected by his union and nothing more, and that is only to make sure he gets paid, not even to keep him working.

That is not necessarily true. There may be federal constitutional protections.

But I’m not getting into that. It takes this down a rabbit hole that misses the main point.

Provorov said he respects the LGBTQ community’s choices. Provorov did not bash or discriminate. He simply declined to participate in a promotion/celebration of their socio-political cause. That isn’t hate. I’ll leave it at that.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The main board struggles with topics like “hey guys, don’t rape people” and “racism is bad”. I’ll stop by occasionally to stare at the train wreck, but it’s almost never worth it.

What topics do the Flyers board struggle with?

 

[Starat327]

What topics do the Flyers board struggle with?

Yes

 

[flyersnorth]

Provorov isn't as bad as Sebastian Bach though. I can post the picture if I won't get banned,

Oh no... what did he do/say? Always loved him as a vocalist. Insane pipes.

 

[renberg]

Wonder how many of the guys in the room feel ok with what he did and said last night? I’m sure that some of the players have friends and relatives that are LGBTQ. Can’t see his act going down easy with them. Sometimes for tranquility’s sake it’s best to shut up and go with the flow. Doing what Provorov did last night would make me a bit uneasy about having him for a teammate. Are they going to have his back if he doesn’t have theirs?

 

[Cody Webster]

So Provorov is basically saying he's a virgin? Because his religion says you can't have sex before marriage.

So do most religions...do you think everyone abides by that? Absolutely not. Just like Provy, people pick and choose what they want

 

[JojoTheWhale]

What topics do the Flyers board struggle with?

None of that is actually our fault. Ron Hextall kicked us down this path and sadly we weren't given any options.