Speculation: Ivan Provorov Trade Discourse Part II

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[Ghosts Beer]

What are you talking about, man?

There are obviously adult themed events that children shouldn't attend and that includes some shows that involve drag. That's not my issue with your posts I quoted.

"Exposing children to drag" is an extremely vague statement that can only be problematic for those that take issue with people who dress in drag, sexualized or not. How are you not getting that?

I’m not sure what you’re missing, unless you are being intentionally daft to pretend I’m talking about showing kids Mrs. Doubtfire instead of drag shows.

I could break it down this way:

Isn’t it true that some “Pride”-inspired events have involved drag queen performances to child audiences, such as but not limited to school events?

Is a person automatically a “homophobe” or “bigot” if they do not believe drag shows to children should be part of “Pride”/LGBTQ activities?

Should a person be forced to participate in & promote a Pride event if they do not feel comfortable with how the Pride movement is being used in some situations, such as drag shows at schools?

 

[Beef Invictus]

I’m not sure what you’re missing, unless you are being intentionally daft to pretend I’m talking about showing kids Mrs. Doubtfire instead of drag shows.

I could break it down this way:

Isn’t it true that some “Pride”-inspired events have involved drag queen performances to child audiences, such as but not limited to school events?

Is a person automatically a “homophobe” or “bigot” if they do not believe drag shows to children should be part of “Pride”/LGBTQ activities?

Should a person be forced to participate in & promote a Pride event if they do not feel comfortable with how the Pride movement is being used in some situations, such as drag shows at schools?

Make a list of drag shows for children. Let's see it. Let's see this society-crushing problem that Provorov is bravely standing against in his quest to represent a Church that seeks legal oppression for LGBT groups.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I just tried to find a drag show within my region to take my kid to. Wouldn't you know it, there's none.

 

[Magua]

I for one would like to see the list of affluent hegemonies that have crumbled because of drag shows.

We can start with Ancient China. In Peking Opera, female roles (the “dan”) are played by men. Yada yada yada, communism.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

I for one would like to see the list of affluent hegemonies that have crumbled because of drag shows.

Men dressed up as women in Shakespeare's plays, and 350 years later, the British Empire was a fraction of the size of it's peak.

 

[Beef Invictus]

We can start with Ancient China. In Peking Opera, female roles (the “dan”) are played by men. Yada yada yada, communism.

I do like these butterfly effects. Justin II decides to sever Constanintople's treaties and destroys the established world order, yada yada Arab Empire yada yada yada it's not Zoroastrian extremists flying planes into buildings on 9/11. Helped along by Russia deciding they want cheaper tea in the 1860s.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

We can just as easily move to another hypo:

Say someone reads the recent article about the gay couple who were heavily involved in Pride activism, & were arrested for molesting their adopted sons & pimping them to a prostitution ring.

Awful story, certainly not representative of the whole.

That said, what if someone who is pro gay rights & sexual choice, but disturbed by the story, decides he doesn’t feel comfortable participating in & promoting a Pride event in its wake. So he decides to sit it out. Does that make him a bigot?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Men dressed up as women in Shakespeare's plays, and 350 years later, the British Empire was a fraction of the size of it's peak.

1959: "Some Like It Hot" is released
2009: Kardashians.

 

[Beef Invictus]

We can just as easily move to another hypo:

Say someone reads the recent article about the gay couple who were heavily involved in Pride activism, & were arrested for molesting their adopted sons & pimping them to a prostitution ring.

Awful story, certainly not representative of the whole.

That said, what if someone who is pro gay rights & sexual choice, but disturbed by the story, decides he doesn’t feel comfortable participating in & promoting a Pride event in its wake. So he decides to sit it out. Does that make him a bigot?

That isn't what he cited. He cited a religious belief system that enthusiastically promotes and supports laws that actively oppress LGBT groups.

 

[Striiker]

Without a trace of irony, you've just argued for the elimination of children partaking in all movies, all tv shows, all books, all websites, all photographs, all daguerrotypes, all tintypes, all paintings, all engravings, all etchings, all cartoons, all plays, all musicals, and shadow puppetry.

Yes. I support this. 100% yes.

Kids are always the worst part of every single show/movie/anything. f***ing annoying little shits.

Children should not be heard, seen, spoken about, referenced, or acknowledged as existing in any form.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

My favorite butterfly effect thing is actually hockey related.

In 1860, Abraham Lincoln won the American presidential election.

120 years later, there is a professional hockey team in Calgary, Alberta called the Flames.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

I’m not sure what you’re missing, unless you are being intentionally daft to pretend I’m talking about showing kids Mrs. Doubtfire instead of drag shows.

I could break it down this way:

Isn’t it true that some “Pride”-inspired events have involved drag queen performances to child audiences, such as but not limited to school events?

Is a person automatically a “homophobe” or “bigot” if they do not believe drag shows to children should be part of “Pride”/LGBTQ activities?

Should a person be forced to participate in & promote a Pride event if they do not feel comfortable with how the Pride movement is being used in some situations, such as drag shows at schools?

I couldn't have been more clear with what I take issue with from what you posted.

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With respect to the Provy discussion, he chose to sit out an event designed to promote inclusivity in the NHL. Full stop.

Pride nights are still important in 2023 because the NHL is still not fully inclusive in 2023. Full stop.

So, yeah, Provy should have participated if he shares the belief that the NHL is for everyone with the talent to get there. Full stop.

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I'm not going anywhere near the "Pride movement being used in some situations" straw man... and I don't have a clue about what you're talking about referencing drag shows to child audiences or at school events.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Yes. I support this. 100% yes.

Kids are always the worst part of every single show/movie/anything. f***ing annoying little shits.

Children should not be heard, seen, spoken about, referenced, or acknowledged as existing in any form.

So are we putting them in sensory deprivation tanks for 18 years or are we now hatching adults from eggs?

I think either can work, but one requires a lot more R&D money.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

We can just as easily move to another hypo:

Say someone reads the recent article about the gay couple who were heavily involved in Pride activism, & were arrested for molesting their adopted sons & pimping them to a prostitution ring.

Awful story, certainly not representative of the whole.

That said, what if someone who is pro gay rights & sexual choice, but disturbed by the story, decides he doesn’t feel comfortable participating in & promoting a Pride event in its wake. So he decides to sit it out. Does that make him a bigot?

Yes?

If the guy equated the molesting to the molesters being gay instead of the molesters being human monsters, then, yes, he's used bigoted reasoning.

 

[DancingPanther]

Someone in here is doing the drag queen thing? Oh my god.

The only thing dangerous about a drag show is a conservative showing up with a gun.

Where's the outrage over Halloween? First off, it's Pagan. Secondly, those costumes are way more traumatizing than drag! I mean look at this!!

 

[Striiker]

So are we putting them in sensory deprivation tanks for 18 years or are we now hatching adults from eggs?

I think either can work, but one requires a lot more R&D money.

Glad you asked

 

[DancingPanther]

I am going to give you a really, really important life lesson here: Tucker Carlson isn't real. Take that to heart and join us in the real world to start making any sense.

Also, Provorov is citing a belief system that actively endorses, supports, and lobbies for stripping rights (especially free expression) from LGBT causes, so why are you promoting him as a free speech champion? Or is it not actually about free speech? Is it actually about a non-existent issue involving children?

 

[Striiker]

Glad you asked

Wait a second, @JojoTheWhale you've seen The Matrix… right?

 

[Beef Invictus]

So are we putting them in sensory deprivation tanks for 18 years or are we now hatching adults from eggs?

I think either can work, but one requires a lot more R&D money.

I could do it for probably 50 bucks.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Wait a second, @JojoTheWhale you've seen The Matrix… right?

Yep! Pretty sure I saw it in the theater. Just the first one though. It was fine. (Don't hurt me.)

 

[Magua]

1959: "Some Like It Hot" is released
2009: Kardashians.

I mean this with full sincerity. You are a miserable human meat entity if you prevent your kids from watching Some Like It Hot because of some drag.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I pumped "Sensory Deprivation Meat" into Neural Blender and I think everyone should thank me a lot for not sharing it here.

 

[DancingPanther]

I pumped "Sensory Deprivation Meat" into Neural Blender and I think everyone should thank me a lot for not sharing it here.

PMs are open

 

[ponder719]

I mean this with full sincerity. You are a miserable human meat entity if you prevent your kids from watching Some Like It Hot because of some drag.

Miserable Human Meat Entity is my Kid Rock cover band.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I pumped "Sensory Deprivation Meat" into Neural Blender and I think everyone should thank me a lot for not sharing it here.

I think that's called sous vide.