You can't make a case because Marleau played with Thornton but you're going to ignore that someone like Recchi played with the likes of Lemieux and Lindros during his most productive seasons? And no, Marleau did not play on Thornton's wing during the majority of his prime. Your era arguments against don't actually present any actual argument against what that addresses. It's a complete non-sequitur. Your Recchi DPE points don't mean a lot when he wasn't a top ten point producer in the league during that time except that one season he led in assists and only reached top twenty two other times when Marleau reached top twenty four times in the ten seasons post-2005 lockout.
Recchi's argument for the Hall of Fame had little to do with his Cups and pretty much entirely to do with having a crap ton of points mostly gotten during a high scoring era and having a lengthy career. The Cups thing is merely a nice thing to say to add to it because if it were truly about having multiple Cups, there are a few guys with more Cups than that who aren't knocking on the door of the Hall of Fame. The Cups argument only mean something if they're the leader(s) of the team of which Recchi never was.
But the biggest problem in this discussion is your complete dismissal of the eras involved and how real that actually is in this context. You can't simply dismiss the fact that the early 90's was a highly offensive era that other than maybe 2005-06 the league hasn't replicated since and that matters when it comes to how gaudy the stats end up being. The reality is that if Recchi started his career when Marleau did and without any true superstars at his hip until he was 26, he's almost definitely not having the same amount of points that he amassed and he likely doesn't have as much as Marleau did because Recchi wasn't as good of a player and he got to benefit from playing from much better talent during his prime years.
I didn't ignore anything.....you made that point and I simply pointed out how silly it was considering Marleau has played with Thornton. It's a point you used against Recchi while trying to make a case for Marleau....which is silly.
Marleau didn't? Have you watched the Sharks? Most(if not all) of Marleaus best seasons were while he played on Thorntons line and while on the PP with Thornton. I suggest you actually do research before saying anything.
Your basing your entire argument on stats that not only don't exist but are flawed in itself. The fact that you have to "adjust" his stats to make him look superior doesn't help your case.
What? He sits 8th in points during that time span...last time I checked, that's within the top 10. He also finished within the top 10 in assists twice, and once within the top 10 in points....your the one who has constantly stated how he played in a higher scoring era, which is unfair for Marleau...I provided DPE stats.
What is this top 20 nonsense?
Recchi: Top 10
Points: 4x(Best: 3rd)
Assists: 4x(Best: 1st)
Goals: 1x
Marleau: Top 10
Points: 0
Assists: 0
Goals: 3x(Best: 4th)
Why are you deliberately moving the goal posts when the stats are right in front of you? Not just that, but you do realize Recchi was 37 in 2006, right? Marleau was 26....
I understand, but Recchi wasn't some compiler....he hit 100 points 3x and a PPG 6x. He sits 6th among players in points, and 7th in assists in a decade span among the 1990s. He sits 3rd ALL TIME in points, 3rd in asssits, and 9th in goals among Right Wingers...while sitting 20th in goals, 15th in assists, and 12th in points all time. He was a great hockey player. Not just that, but his best seasons('91: 113 points) in Pitt, Lemieux only played 23 games and Recchi led the club in points, assists, and tied for goals. He did the same thing in Philly in '93. Recchi wasn't Andreychuk, he was an elite Winger who was consistently at the top in his position.
You may not agree with it, hell...you might not even like it, but his cups had A LOT to do with his induction. Your fooling yourself if you think otherwise.
Era doesn't make up for their huge gaps offensively. Recchi spent a MAJORITY of his years playing in Lower scoring eras. From 89-96, he has 635 points in 546 games. From 97-11, he has 898 points in 1106 games...within that time frame, he sits 6th in points and 5th in assists. Do you know where Marleau sits from 98-04? 80th.....Recchi sits 9th in that same time frame. The whole different eras argument your attempting to make doesn't work, Recchi played in the same era and did just fine...all while marleau was barely a blimp on the radar.
You want to talk about adjusting eras and different time frames? Marleaus production took off after the lockout when the game opened up and became more speedy, at the same time, Joe Thornton came to town and they were put on the PP together. Soon after, Marleau was put on his wing. If your going to nit pick Recchi, at least do the same for Marleau who benefited greatly from a faster game and from a generational playmaker.
