Prospect Info: Hurricanes Prospect Info and Discussion - Part VI

[tarheelhockey]

Reading between the lines, sounds like he didn't think he and other prospects have been given real chances to succeed in this org, and he definitely seems interested in exploring other NHL organizations. Kinda tracks with what many of us have been saying about this org under Francis.

People who get cut from teams often say stuff like that. I thought his comments were actually pretty measured, that he felt like he was playing OK and that there was some interest in him as an NHL player but it just wasn't coming together. That's probably a fair summary of his experience here... he wasn't disappointing or anything, but it just didn't pan out.

 

[Breakdowns]

There are a lot of prospects I’d call up before Tolchinsky.

I don't disagree with that at all. I think he has no place with this organization as much as I have seen from him and his statistics, but f***ing Peters will never let go of his love hearts - Ryan and Nordy.

 

[MinJaBen]

People who get cut from teams often say stuff like that. I thought his comments were actually pretty measured, that he felt like he was playing OK and that there was some interest in him as an NHL player but it just wasn't coming together. That's probably a fair summary of his experience here... he wasn't disappointing or anything, but it just didn't pan out.

Yeah, I think he was pretty understanding with most of his comments. But I agree with him that it is confusing when the team/GM/coach says you looked good, then send you down to not be given more chances. They should give him an honest assessment of his play and their near-term plans for him and the team. If he got those and is just bitching, then that is on him. But it doesn't sound that way from his interview. It sounds like they were blowing smoke up his ass and didn't want to be upfront with him.

 

[cptjeff]

There are a lot of prospects I’d call up before Tolchinsky.

I don't disagree with that, but when you have players on the roster like Derek Ryan and Nordstrom playing 15 minutes a game no matter how spectacularly ineffective they are, it's a valid criticism. Tolchinsky has played 4 games in the NHL and has 2 points (in pretty limited icetime). Nordstrom has played 70 games this year and has 6. If you give Tolchinsky the ice time Nordstrom has gotten, he gets somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 points. That's not a small difference. You have guys like Zykov and Foegele who are clearly far better NHLers than a good chunk of the roster, and it's three games and a fare-thee-well. If I'm a guy toiling away in the AHL and who has had modest success in the few games I've gotten in the NHL, and I see guys like that continuing to take a job from me, I'd be f***ing pissed.

 

[FreshSeabass]

Or call-up the guys that are more deserving to be called up based on merit?

Like? Other than saarela i don't really see anyone else i want to see that badly. Maybe andrew miller as he seems to be a consistent high scorer in the AHL. That might not translate, but he wasn't really given an NHL shot in EDM.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Yeah, I think he was pretty understanding with most of his comments. But I agree with him that it is confusing when the team/GM/coach says you looked good, then send you down to not be given more chances. They should give him an honest assessment of his play and their near-term plans for him and the team. If he got those and is just *****ing, then that is on him. But it doesn't sound that way from his interview. It sounds like they were blowing smoke up his ass and didn't want to be upfront with him.

From what I remember, he actually did play decently well in certain stretches of his opportunities here. There was a time when it wasn't out of the question that he could add to his skillset, maybe bulk up a little, and make this roster.

IMO the thing that took him out of the picture was something he couldn't control -- better players got added ahead of him. I doubt management ever came to him and directly said "Hey, you see that new guy? He's way better than you. Just sayin', you could get a lot better and still not have a chance. " I'm sure he could read the writing on the wall that if he has the 3rd best PPG among the LWs on the AHL team, as a guy who is a scoring specialist, he's probably not going to get too many chances in the NHL going forward.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Like? Other than saarela i don't really see anyone else i want to see that badly. Maybe andrew miller as he seems to be a consistent high scorer in the AHL. That might not translate, but he wasn't really given an NHL shot in EDM.

Miller is hurt I believe. Poturalski, Saarela, and arguably Kuokkanen and Roy deserve it more and there are probably a few others.

I get that Sergey has those sexy moves that everybody loves, but he hasn't even been a very good producer in the AHL in his 3 seasons, so not sure why he warrants a call-up over other guys. Maybe they'll do it to "make him happy" as he's an RFA and he's less important to the Checker's success, but his play certainly doesn't warrant it over others, whether fans want to see him or not.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I don't disagree with that, but when you have players on the roster like Derek Ryan and Nordstrom playing 15 minutes a game no matter how spectacularly ineffective they are, it's a valid criticism. Tolchinsky has played 4 games in the NHL and has 2 points (in pretty limited icetime). Nordstrom has played 70 games this year and has 6. If you give Tolchinsky the ice time Nordstrom has gotten, he gets somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 points. That's not a small difference.

I disagree. He's got a career high of 36 points in the AHL. 2 NHL points in 4 garbage games at the end of the season isn't enough of a sample size to assume he'll have sustained success for a season. If he was tearing it up in the AHL, that would be one thing, but he's not. The season when Ryan and Tolchinsky were on the Checkers together, Ryan had 23G, 55P and was a +5 in 70 games. Tolchinsky had 14G, 36P and was a -16 in 72 games. The following season, Ryan had 5G, 13P and was a +4 in only 9 games, Tolchinsky had 7 goals, 23p and was a -10 in 59 games. There's absolutely no valid reason to say Sergey deserves to be playing over Derek Ryan. Maybe he'll put it together and become an excellent NHL player down the road, but he's done nothing to say he deserves it right now.

You have guys like Zykov and Foegele who are clearly far better NHLers than a good chunk of the roster, and it's three games and a fare-thee-well. If I'm a guy toiling away in the AHL and who has had modest success in the few games I've gotten in the NHL, and I see guys like that continuing to take a job from me, I'd be ****ing pissed.

This was Foegele's first season in the AHL and he got a callup, was ecstatic, did well, but went back to Charlotte so that he could help them in the playoff run. Zykov didn't show he was legit until this season in the AHL. He's getting a string of games now to show what he can do at the NHL level, but will likely go back to help the Checkers as well in the not too distant future.

IMO, both guys will get every chance to make the team next year.

 

[geehaad]

Tolchinsky was scratched by the Checkers. He's not getting a shot on the AHL team, so let's start there before we wringing our hands about his shot at the big club roster.

 

[NotOpie]

A couple of things....I think Lempo is spot on about his apparent supposition of Zykov getting 10 games to have the bonus kick in. He's up for a new contract, so that feels like an easy and effective negotiating tactic.

Another interesting situation....and one of the reasons why I don't think we'll see Kuokkanen with the big club again this season....his contract can slide for a year....if he doesn't play in 10 NHL games. He's got 4....maybe he gets another quick look-see, but I'd guess we'll see Saarela and/or Roy.

 

[Cane mutiny]

With all the young guys we have that would probably get time before ST, I hope they trade his rights at the draft for a pick, or something, so he gets a chance with another team if he wants to still try for the NHL. He's been a good soldier and deserves his chance.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

By the way, for all the shit @NotOpie got for the "Chris Terry will score 40" prediction, kudos in that he was one of the first to sing the praises of Foegele. IIRC, he's been quite the fan for a while.

 

[CandyCanes]

Saarela with a 3 point night tonight

 

[GoldiFox]

Necas’s team is in the Czech Extraliga Semifinals. They won 3-2 yesterday with Necas recording 1A. Today Necas’s team is winning 3-0 with 10 minutes left in the 3rd. Necas has 1G and 1A.

 

[letsgrowcactus]

Necas’s team is in the Czech Extraliga Semifinals. They won 3-2 yesterday with Necas recording 1A. Today Necas’s team is winning 3-0 with 10 minutes left in the 3rd. Necas has 1G and 1A.

Final score is 4-1; leading 2-0 in the semifinal series (won both road games, the next two games are at home).

Necas continues to take a lot of beating from the opposition - nasty stuff yesterday and again today. You got to love his compete level though - one minute he's barely limping to the bench, then after spending like two minutes icing his thigh, he gets back on ice and creates the first goal. Ten minutes later, someone bumps into him so hard he falls and has trouble getting up controlling his skates - thirty seconds later he creates another prime scoring chance.

Anyway, well-earned assist - carried the puck to the o-zone on a 3-1, passed it to create a great scoring chance, the goal was then scored from the rebound. The goal was also beautiful - received a pass at the blueline, made a very nice move around the defenseman (great hands) - he suddenly had the goal all open and scored to the top corner.

We'll really miss him next year, but good luck to him with your organisation.

 

[Pixie]

today's goal:

 

[Voodoozz]

Nice goal for sure, the kid's got talent ... Only thing is he scored this one with 40 yo Kadlec playing defense, a traffic cone might have done a better job there... That guy is a big reason why Brno leads the series

 

[Pixie]

Nice goal for sure, the kid's got talent ... Only thing is he scored this one with 40 yo Kadlec playing defense, a traffic cone might have done a better job there... That guy is a big reason why Brno leads the series

Yes, he was also bad yesterday. I don't know exactly the situation in Plzeň, but after the season his contract expires and he will probably retire.

 

[Voodoozz]

Yes, he was also bad yesterday. I don't know exactly the situation in Plzeň, but after the season his contract expires and he will probably retire.

Straka should bench him really .. captain or not, at least it would send a message.. the guy has no speed, no strenght and he makes terrible decisions every shift. I'd even say it was an easy job for Nečas with his skating and puck handling skills.

 

[Pixie]

Straka should bench him really .. captain or not, at least it would send a message.. the guy has no speed, no strenght and he makes terrible decisions every shift. I'd even say it was an easy job for Nečas with his skating and puck handling skills.

I agree, what about Kvasnička?

 

[Jorma Heart]

KalPa U20 team played finals tonight. 1+1 and game misdiscount to Luostarinen, who is too beastly and skilled to play with little kids.

 

[Voodoozz]

I agree, what about Kvasnička?

I'm not really sure what's going on with him this season, last year when he was 17 he looked to me as a future stud for Plzeň, he was supposed to be drafted in later rounds ... this year he didn't even play at the WJC. He had some injury problems at the beginning of the season and since then he just can't get back to where he was last season.

Lukáš Kaňák looked great this season tho .. he could get a call-up. Anyway i think Brno will take this series, to much experience, winning spirit and hot goaltending. I'm happy for Nečas though as a Pils fan, last year they forced him to go to the U18 so he couldn't enjoy lifting a cup.

 

[NotOpie]

By the way, for all the **** @NotOpie got for the "Chris Terry will score 40" prediction, kudos in that he was one of the first to sing the praises of Foegele. IIRC, he's been quite the fan for a while.

Ha....thanks @Boom Boom Apathy. You know what they say down here in Carolina....even a blind pig finds a corn cob every now and then...

 

[Bub]

Hurricanes hockey: come for the futility, stay for the Extraliga back-and-forth.

(Seriously, tho, thanks to all you guys for bringing info on various Canes prospects from Europe.)

 

[cptjeff]

KalPa U20 team played finals tonight. 1+1 and game misdiscount to Luostarinen, who is too beastly and skilled to play with little kids.

How's he been in general this season? He seems to have completely fallen off the map.