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[LakeLivin]

What do you mean there's no motivation? Even just a little research can tell you what was going on.

That Hasidic sect is split into two, one is referred to as Meshikhists/Meshichists as they believe their last Rabbi never really died and is the Messiah. They are essentially the Westboro Baptist Church of the Jewish community.

And there's the non-Meshichists who either don't believe that he was the Messiah or believe he could have been but once he died some othere unknown person could have the potential to be the Messiah as they believe there's always someone in each generation.

Young Israeli students from the Meshichist group decided to dig from an abandoned Jewish women's ritual bath building to the building at 770. There's two competing theories about why they decided to do that.

The first is that the belief that the Meshichist group was kicked out of the synagogue and they dug the tunnels to sneak back in and worship.

The second is much more likely, given how cultish the Meshichist are. And that's the belief that they built the tunnel to expand the holy ground of the 770. They consider the 770 to have the same status as the future and past main Jewish Temple (Beit Hamikdash), and by building the tunnel between the 770 and the bathhouse, it can be considered "one building" and thus the bathhouse is holy ground as well.

It goes along with the very strict interpretation of rules many Jewish sects and the way to find loopholes to work around them. For instance, Jewish people aren't supposed to build or utilize fire on the day of rest, which in today's world includes electricity or driving a car. However, if someone else turns on a light or drives them somewhere, they technically didn't use fire, that other person did.

Anywho, the tunnels were discovered and obviously very dangerous to the structure of both buildings, so the police were called to help seal it up. The young men of the Meshichist were obviously unhappy about that and started a riot.

I ain't buying it. I believe the ultimate intent of the child trafficking pedo tunnelers was to make a convenient connection to the pizza place so as to avoid NY City traffic when they got hungry.

 

[Lempo]

Anywho, the tunnels were discovered and obviously very dangerous to the structure of both buildings, so the police were called to help seal it up. The young men of the Meshichist were obviously unhappy about that and started a riot.

It's a bit scary how you say "obviously" twice when describing shit that's objectively speaking utterly bonkers.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

It's a bit scary how you say "obviously" twice when describing shit that's objectively speaking utterly bonkers.

Religious fanatics unhappy rules apply to them. What could be more obvious than that?

 

[VaCaps Fan]

I enjoy sticking up for yotes fans. They deserve it.

 

[To Be Determined]

What do you mean there's no motivation? Even just a little research can tell you what was going on.

That Hasidic sect is split into two, one is referred to as Meshikhists/Meshichists as they believe their last Rabbi never really died and is the Messiah. They are essentially the Westboro Baptist Church of the Jewish community.

And there's the non-Meshichists who either don't believe that he was the Messiah or believe he could have been but once he died some othere unknown person could have the potential to be the Messiah as they believe there's always someone in each generation.

Young Israeli students from the Meshichist group decided to dig from an abandoned Jewish women's ritual bath building to the building at 770. There's two competing theories about why they decided to do that.

The first is that the belief that the Meshichist group was kicked out of the synagogue and they dug the tunnels to sneak back in and worship.

The second is much more likely, given how cultish the Meshichist are. And that's the belief that they built the tunnel to expand the holy ground of the 770. They consider the 770 to have the same status as the future and past main Jewish Temple (Beit Hamikdash), and by building the tunnel between the 770 and the bathhouse, it can be considered "one building" and thus the bathhouse is holy ground as well.

It goes along with the very strict interpretation of rules many Jewish sects and the way to find loopholes to work around them. For instance, Jewish people aren't supposed to build or utilize fire on the day of rest, which in today's world includes electricity or driving a car. However, if someone else turns on a light or drives them somewhere, they technically didn't use fire, that other person did.

Anywho, the tunnels were discovered and obviously very dangerous to the structure of both buildings, so the police were called to help seal it up. The young men of the Meshichist were obviously unhappy about that and started a riot.

Somthing something red heifer

 

[Svechhammer]

Wait, what?

The secret tunnel thing was real? I thought it was just a comment for the lolz about a random picture

 

[VaCaps Fan]

It’s real…

 

[Lempo]

It’s real…

And spectacular.

 

[MinJaBen]

And spectacular.

Nice use of an unsolicited touching reference...

 

[Derailed75]

What do you mean there's no motivation? Even just a little research can tell you what was going on.

That Hasidic sect is split into two, one is referred to as Meshikhists/Meshichists as they believe their last Rabbi never really died and is the Messiah. They are essentially the Westboro Baptist Church of the Jewish community.

And there's the non-Meshichists who either don't believe that he was the Messiah or believe he could have been but once he died some othere unknown person could have the potential to be the Messiah as they believe there's always someone in each generation.

Young Israeli students from the Meshichist group decided to dig from an abandoned Jewish women's ritual bath building to the building at 770. There's two competing theories about why they decided to do that.

The first is that the belief that the Meshichist group was kicked out of the synagogue and they dug the tunnels to sneak back in and worship.

The second is much more likely, given how cultish the Meshichist are. And that's the belief that they built the tunnel to expand the holy ground of the 770. They consider the 770 to have the same status as the future and past main Jewish Temple (Beit Hamikdash), and by building the tunnel between the 770 and the bathhouse, it can be considered "one building" and thus the bathhouse is holy ground as well.

It goes along with the very strict interpretation of rules many Jewish sects and the way to find loopholes to work around them. For instance, Jewish people aren't supposed to build or utilize fire on the day of rest, which in today's world includes electricity or driving a car. However, if someone else turns on a light or drives them somewhere, they technically didn't use fire, that other person did.

Anywho, the tunnels were discovered and obviously very dangerous to the structure of both buildings, so the police were called to help seal it up. The young men of the Meshichist were obviously unhappy about that and started a riot.

Calm down. I quoted that out of the article I read on it last night. It said "with virtually no motive"

 

[GindyDraws]

Rain was miserable yesterday when I went to the animal clinic to get a former feral spayed so we could rescue it. What I'm dreading is the bitter cold this weekend. They got the vortex smack dab in the middle of the Midwest.

 

[DaveG]

Follow up:

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[Blueline Bomber]

Calm down. I quoted that out of the article I read on it last night. It said "with virtually no motive"

My problem wasn't so much your belief that there was no motivation. It's your belief that there's no motivation, therefore "something wrong" must be happening there. It's real easy to simply do a little research before immediately jumping into conspiracy theories. And frankly, IMO, the truth is much more interesting than any of the conspiracy theories.

 

[cptjeff]

My problem wasn't so much your belief that there was no motivation. It's your belief that there's no motivation, therefore "something wrong" must be happening there. It's real easy to simply do a little research before immediately jumping into conspiracy theories. And frankly, IMO, the truth is much more interesting than any of the conspiracy theories.

But secret tunnels being dug under a city do mean "something wrong" is going on. By definition. While most of the QAnon stuff is total loony tunes and people WAAAY exaggerate the prevalence of child sex trafficking based on the QAnon and Q-lite bullcrap that outlets like Fox promote to keep the Q audience while still appearing a tiny bit respectable (as always, the vast, vast majority of child abuse is done by family), when you have actual, literal secret tunnels it's pretty reasonable to assume there's a pretty nefarious purpose. They're a LOT of work to build and most people can't imagine putting that much labor into something that's not actually quite serious.

I mean, crazy religious sect doing crazy religious sect weirdness may very well be all there is too it, but orthodox jewish communities, especially the more extremist ones, also have a record of keeping women who want to leave in captivity and abused, etc. I don't think you can fault people for thinking that there's likely more to it that just some religious nuts doing this purely on the grounds of religious nuttery.

 

[Lempo]

My problem wasn't so much your belief that there was no motivation. It's your belief that there's no motivation, therefore "something wrong" must be happening there. It's real easy to simply do a little research before immediately jumping into conspiracy theories. And frankly, IMO, the truth is much more interesting than any of the conspiracy theories.

Generally speaking, when someone is doing something very sinister-sounding, I don't think a member of the audience has properly "done their research" if they unquestioningly grab the first half-baked explanation provided on behalf of the suspect-of-sinistry and immediately wave the whole thing off.

Especially when there are Jews involved and there's a lot of pressure on various folks to promptly make it a non-story before we have a pogrom going on.

The explanation provided here is one that could very well be truthful. But it also does sound like crazy shit that someone might cook up and maybe prepare beforehand in case the sinister actors get caught. So I think some further looking into it may be in order before disregarding the thing.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

But secret tunnels being dug under a city do mean "something wrong" is going on. By definition. While most of the QAnon stuff is total loony tunes and people WAAAY exaggerate the prevalence of child sex trafficking based on the QAnon and Q-lite bullcrap that outlets like Fox promote to keep the Q audience while still appearing a tiny bit respectable (as always, the vast, vast majority of child abuse is done by family), when you have actual, literal secret tunnels it's pretty reasonable to assume there's a pretty nefarious purpose. They're a LOT of work to build and most people can't imagine putting that much labor into something that's not actually quite serious.

I mean, crazy religious sect doing crazy religious sect weirdness may very well be all there is too it, but orthodox jewish communities, especially the more extremist ones, also have a record of keeping women who want to leave in captivity and abused, etc. I don't think you can fault people for thinking that there's likely more to it that just some religious nuts doing this purely on the grounds of religious nuttery.

I can absolutely fault people for immediately jumping to child trafficking or sex abuse conspiracy theories when something odd happens. I can understand why they'd make initial assumptions, especially when it comes to religion, but as you said, the amount of actual trafficking/abuse is very much exaggerated by Q-Anon. And feeding into that belief lessens the odds of actual trafficking/abusers being caught, simply because of the whole "Boy who cried wolf" effect.

People, in general, are weird and they tend to do weird things. Religions are also weird and they often ask their followers to do weird things. So when you combine the two and get "religious people", there's a whole lot of weirdness that's possible. And occasionally it leads to situations like this one, where it probably makes sense to them, but is batshit crazy to any outside observation.

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

Especially when there are Jews involved and there's a lot of pressure on various folks to promptly make it a non-story before we have a pogrom going on.

I didn't know what this word meant. I googled it and for anyone else who doesn't know:

It's an organized massacre of a particular ethnic group, in particular that of Jewish people in Russia or eastern Europe in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

Then I read Pogroms

Every time I think I have a grasp of the suffering of Jews in history, it keeps getting worse.

 

[Lempo]

While most of the QAnon stuff is total loony tunes and people WAAAY exaggerate the prevalence of child sex trafficking based on the QAnon and Q-lite bullcrap

The guy on the left was born second in line to the British throne, and he paid 14 millions for the gal in pic to go away. And we don't quite know what happened the night the guy on the right went away.

If I was in their social circles I would be paying big money for the Q and pizzagate promoters and their like to make any claims of sex trafficking happening in the highest echelons of the society to sound as crazy as possible so that your average joe does't want anything to do with that discussion.

"Them are drinking blooood!"

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

It wasn't just the mattress (although what is that doing there?". It was the high-chairs, and the tunnel going to a Children's museum.

Official cover story "Oh, it was just some Yeshiva students messing around digging a little tunnel",

Didn’t see chairs mentioned anywhere.

What do you expect, in Pizzagate world. The #1 debunkment for that was that "silly fools, there even *isn't* cellars in those pizza parlors!" And then someone finds Jews tunneling.

Any mattress or a kids' feeding chair foud there is but a chef's kiss, but not really necessary for making the conclusions. In fact them being there does feel more like the dressing of the crime scene has gone a bit over the top here.

 

[Lempo]

Didn’t see chairs mentioned anywhere.

I saw a meme pic where someone had sought that same chair on Amazon to show that it indeed is what it is claimed to be.

 

[hockeynjune]

But secret tunnels being dug under a city do mean "something wrong" is going on. By definition. While most of the QAnon stuff is total loony tunes and people WAAAY exaggerate the prevalence of child sex trafficking based on the QAnon and Q-lite bullcrap that outlets like Fox promote to keep the Q audience while still appearing a tiny bit respectable (as always, the vast, vast majority of child abuse is done by family), when you have actual, literal secret tunnels it's pretty reasonable to assume there's a pretty nefarious purpose. They're a LOT of work to build and most people can't imagine putting that much labor into something that's not actually quite serious.

I mean, crazy religious sect doing crazy religious sect weirdness may very well be all there is too it, but orthodox jewish communities, especially the more extremist ones, also have a record of keeping women who want to leave in captivity and abused, etc. I don't think you can fault people for thinking that there's likely more to it that just some religious nuts doing this purely on the grounds of religious

After Two Decades Undercover, She's Ready to Tell the Real Story of Human Trafficking

She spent years fighting human trafficking as an undercover agent. Now she's telling the real story of some of the most heinous crimes in the country.

www.rollingstone.com

I was of the same oppinion on the trafficking till I read this.

 

[hockeynjune]

On a much lighter note , amazing sunset tonight.

Please ignore the construction site.

 

[Lempo]

Please ignore the construction site.

Why? What are you excavating?

 

[hockeynjune]

Why? What are you excavating?

The queen has decreed the grand children need a pool.

 

[cptjeff]

After Two Decades Undercover, She's Ready to Tell the Real Story of Human Trafficking

She spent years fighting human trafficking as an undercover agent. Now she's telling the real story of some of the most heinous crimes in the country.

www.rollingstone.com

I was of the same oppinion on the trafficking till I read this.

There are absolutely organized human trafficking networks that do exist. It is a real thing. There are just short of 8 billion people on this planet, you can find some instances of pretty much any criminal behavior imaginable. But the number of people caught and involved in those networks is absolutely minuscule compared to fathers, uncles, and close family friends raping kids. And small town communities covering that shit up. But the Q Anon nuts see those evil organized networks around every corner when they are in objective reality quite rare. And quite a lot of the Q Anon nuts get busted for kiddie porn and sexual abuse themselves, which should say something. They're claiming that their political enemies are doing the evil things that they, in fact, are doing themselves.