How many games suspension does "The Mother of all Elbows" get in today's NHL?

JayfromNB1219

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Still 0 games for that stick swinging earlier in the video, 10+ for that elbow. Probably 20+ honestly with how obviously intentional it was, league would throw the book at Bure yet ignore slightly less egregious examples.

Not a chance...Bure was one of the leagues biggest attractions at the time (see McDavid, Connor) Bure would get 5 games and fined a healthy amount (nothing that would actually affect him) maybe 150,000 and then they'd bury it
 

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Yeah, but when Mike Milbury's beating a guy in the stands with his shoe... I don't know. I don't think the 90s has anything to compete with that. But then there was that guy in the 50s (?) who tried to kill a guy with his skate.

I think today's athlete is so advanced that those old styles would result in multiple deaths, which is why we have to get it out of the game. But the game has gotten progressively less violent, it seems. The 90s was probably the last true "violent" era of hockey, which is why we think of it when we think of the difference in the game, but just watching NHL classics (or whatever it was that NHL.tv had a few years back, where you could watch thousands of old games), you could see the 80s were insane and dirty, and the 70s pretty much had an entire metagame of intimidation going on under the surface.

Either way, as fun as it is to rewatch those times and remember them, depending on what generation you grew up on, I do think it was a necessity to soften up the game. It's played at too high a speed now, with even the larger players able to move at high speeds (for the most part), to go back. I don't know. I know the change started before Bertuzzi-Moore, but I think Bertuzzi-Moore is the moment we can point to where we realized multiple things had to change. It all snowballed pretty quickly after that, from removing muggings (which weren't uncommon in the 80s and 90s, I don't think) to removing hits to the head altogether (probably the Marc Savard hit that changed thinking on that?).

Great post.
 

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I know it's Ulf Samuelsson, so nobody feels overly sympathetic or anything, buuuuut...



Imagine the suspension on THAT today. Season? Gotta be 20, minimum, and that's for a player without a history. I mean... I guess it's not ALL that different from what Baby Tie did to Aaron Ekblad, but Max isn't quite Tie in the violence department.

Don't get me wrong. Always liked Domi, still like Domi, etc etc. He had a definitely place in that era and he's respected for a reason. But he could definitely cross the line sometimes.


Most people in that moment in hockey history thought Ulf deserved that.

The game has came a long way.

I can’t even imagine the suspension Domi would have gotten for that now.
 

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Most people in that moment in hockey history thought Ulf deserved that.

The game has came a long way.

I can’t even imagine the suspension Domi would have gotten for that now.

Probably because he's a beloved Leaf. That's not even a mugging though. It's a straight sucker punch. There were probably a dozen reasons by then to get Ulf out of the game, but you can't do it like that.

I think that starts at 20 in 2019. But anybody with a history probably gets a full season. In those days it probably just meant Nick Kypreos had to get his a$$ kicked next time out. Well, that, on top of 8 games. But there's not a lot of remorse in Tie's voice there.
 

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Star player on a goon with two relatively small market teams at the time.

All this considered Kadri suspended 7 games.

DOPS probably

DOPS has shown time and time again that it isn’t about the hit or intention. There is no regard for player safety.
 

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90s hockey was arguably the most exciting era of hockey (Wings v Avs anyone?) but yeah, the toll it took on the guys from that era is undeniable.

We simply weren’t aware about the long term effects of brain injuries the way we are now though.
I went to my first game in 89 and since then, i just love this sport so much even though i too think it was more fun back in those days, but at the same time i agree about the changes because of how heavily the players have been affected because of that exact playing style back then. Well, at least we still have some nice Youtube Videos reminding us why we fell in love with the best sport on this planet.
 

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This one has a great reverse angle towards the end.



Edit: Just noticed Kordic w/ the Caps in the video. 7 games total played with them...101 PIMs. What a stat line.
 

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I'm honestly glad the game has calmed down. I want to see talent on the ice, not in a nursing home at 40 because their brain is mashed potatoes now.
 
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Sorry I have to disagree with the bolded part. Bure was a soft skilled player that played at a time where if you were small and soft, you had to be cheap and you likely had enforcers to stick up for you....

...However since Bure through hits like this all the time, it was likely not his first infraction, so he should get more games. However, since he was a "star" player, a few of his infractions would have been over looked and or would have been fines.

So is he a "soft" player or is he "throwing hits like this all the time"?
 

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I don't know about that. When I was a kid in the 90s, all the adults talked about how hockey had gotten soft compared to the 70s.

To be fair, at that time "the league is getting soft" referred to something different than it does now. The 1990s were definitely a harder hitting and more generally dangerous era than the 1970s, without any question.

The Don Cherry types who were pining for 70s hockey were talking less about wanting to see flying elbows, and more about wanting to see 15 guys fly off the bench to brawl at center ice (with much the same rationale, that this was how players policed themselves). In the 90s you could reasonably expect to see a game where nobody tried to pull anyone across the ice by the hair, even though there was a LOT more chance of seeing someone bounce their head off the ice like a tennis ball.
 

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Not sure about the suspension, but holy moly i almost forgot how rough this sport has been in the past. Completely changed over the years.

It truly was a different game then. And that's like not even long ago. What? Mid 90s or even late 90s??
 

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To be fair, at that time "the league is getting soft" referred to something different than it does now. The 1990s were definitely a harder hitting and more generally dangerous era than the 1970s, without any question.

The Don Cherry types who were pining for 70s hockey were talking less about wanting to see flying elbows, and more about wanting to see 15 guys fly off the bench to brawl at center ice (with much the same rationale, that this was how players policed themselves). In the 90s you could reasonably expect to see a game where nobody tried to pull anyone across the ice by the hair, even though there was a LOT more chance of seeing someone bounce their head off the ice like a tennis ball.

Great point. Every 15-20 years the game really evolves. It wouldnt be outrageous to imagine a future where fighting is removed from the game and hitting is severely handcuffed (further)
 
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I'm honestly glad the game has calmed down. I want to see talent on the ice, not in a nursing home at 40 because their brain is mashed potatoes now.

Indeed. Sure, there's a little edge missing, but games still get nasty enough when the time is right. There's less just absolutely extraneous brain damage occurring today, which is nice. That vicious Dale Hunter/Gord Murphy incident posted earlier in the thread happened in a random mid-February game...like, why? Do we need that?
 
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He gets at least 50 for that.

Never takes his eyes off of the guy and doesn’t even look at the play/puck. Straight predatory move and looks like a major bitch for doing it.
 

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Over ten. But I understand Bure. Hee's been thouroughly abused by Cjurla and the refs didn't do a damn thing about it. Bure was not the only one who got that treatment, though. It was the times. Some of the players had the patience of saints. It's a surprise that there weren't a lot of stick fights back then. The aggression was very high.
 
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nbwingsfan

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I know it's Ulf Samuelsson, so nobody feels overly sympathetic or anything, buuuuut...



Imagine the suspension on THAT today. Season? Gotta be 20, minimum, and that's for a player without a history. I mean... I guess it's not ALL that different from what Baby Tie did to Aaron Ekblad, but Max isn't quite Tie in the violence department.

Don't get me wrong. Always liked Domi, still like Domi, etc etc. He had a definitely place in that era and he's respected for a reason. But he could definitely cross the line sometimes.


I saw two posters comparing the love tap Marchand gave in the playoffs to this.... so yeah, I can’t imagine the uproar if someone did that today :laugh:

Probably still be some posters saying he deserved it (see anytime Marchand/Wilson/Kadri get hurt)
 

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Wouldn't happen in today's NHL, because a bum like Churla wouldn't be able to make it to the league.
 

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