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It's a bad draft if you want a future canadian superstar.
Is it incredible?!? I am a 2-3 hour drive from Vancouver so watching a deep class get drafted would be greatI don't think you understand how HFBoards works. Last year's draft was good, this year's draft is over-rated, next year's draft will be incredible. The numbers on the calendar are irrelevant. Don't worry, if you hang around awhile you'll get the hang of it!
That's just what i heard, 9 good players and no depth
2018 draft overall=2009 draft overall
2015>2016>2017>2013>2018>2011>2014>2012
Pretty average draft with potential to move up.
IMO
Is it incredible?!? I am a 2-3 hour drive from Vancouver so watching a deep class get drafted would be great
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I would consider this draft similar to 2007 in terms of talent. Some really good, some really bad.
How good does this draft actually look when you don't just be overly humble? and how good is the next one without being overly hyped?Sorry, I was being sarcastic. Basically every year by the time draft day roles around half this board is saying "weak draft", but they're all convince next year will be great.
How good does this draft actually look when you don't just be overly humble? and how good is the next one without being overly hyped?
Then you've heard from very incorrect sources.
It's a pretty strong draft. As has already been said a few times, when guys like Veleno, McIsaac, and Wilde are projected to be mid 1st rounders... That's a sign of a some quality depth.
I think it'll be very comparable to the 2016 draft. A really strong top end with Dahlin/Svech/Zadina/Tkachuk rivaling(And IMO a better combo) Matthews/Laine/PLD/Poolparty. And after that, still lots of quality prospects to fill out the rest of the first round as well. 2016 had the likes of McAvoy, Sergachev, Chychrun, Fabbro, Keller, Tkachuk, Jost, etc taken after it. I think Hughes, McIsaac, Dobson, Boqvist, Veleno, Wahlstrom, Kotkaniemi, etc. stack up extremely favorably to that same group from 2016.
To me, they're quite similar drafts in terms of top end talent and in terms of depth through the 1st round.
Yahhhh, no that's not accurate at all. It's still early and the 2017 draft has room to improve. But right now it's nowhere near that high on the pecking order.
I dont think you'd find a single person who prefers the 2017 draft class to 2013. The 2013 draft is still not even 5 years old, and in the Top 10 alone it now has 2 elite 1C's in Mackinnon and Barkov, another couple strong 1/2 Centers in Horvat/Monahan. A bordering elite #1D in Jones. And a pair of very good #2/3 Dmen in Nurse/Ristolainen.
And only a single "bust" in the Top 10 in Nichushkin, who could very well prove to be a good player when he eventually returns to the NHL.
We'll have to wait and see for a few years, but I dont think the 2017 draft will come close to that kind of talent being produced from it. Only Hischier and Petersson have legit 1C upside without vastly exceeding expectations and neither of them are locks to be 1C's by any stretch. And on the back end, Makar and Heiskanen both project much more to be along the lines of what Ristolainen and Nurse are in the league more so then what Jones is.
The 2017 draft is actually on the weaker side. When all is said and done I expect it to match up with the 2014 draft in terms of talent. A lot of disappointment especially at the very top, but a few good players sprinkled in the rest of the Top 10 and down through the draft to keep it well ahead of the 2012 draft.
Good draft but not exceptional like most people (myself included) were thinking it would be at the start of last season. Probably the best defense draft since 2008 though a lot of undersized guys on the back end which always concerns me.
Ehhhh I'd put Mittlestadt and Necas in that group as well, mind you Casey will never be the #1 in Buffalo but both project like it wouldn't be a stretch to say that either could end up as a mid-level #1 C.
I think with Mcissac and Veleno being available in the mid to late teens shows its a pretty good draft. top 10 lots of sub 5'11 dmans which can be risky.
Annual tradition around here...I heard this draft is stacked and is tremendously deep. No idea where the bashing comes from. Probably from fans whose teams traded their first or second rounders away. You can get tremendous defenseman and forward prospects with size in the 20's in this draft. Even right handed defenseman.
Its a good draft if your a lotto team needing a defenseman, otherwise its alright
I think it is a pretty bad one, last year was a much deeper one.
Look at the later portion of the 2017 and compare it to 2013. Blows it out of the water even now. The top 10 is a little in 2013s favor but I think Hischier will be better than Mackinnon and Barkov.Then you've heard from very incorrect sources.
It's a pretty strong draft. As has already been said a few times, when guys like Veleno, McIsaac, and Wilde are projected to be mid 1st rounders... That's a sign of a some quality depth.
I think it'll be very comparable to the 2016 draft. A really strong top end with Dahlin/Svech/Zadina/Tkachuk rivaling(And IMO a better combo) Matthews/Laine/PLD/Poolparty. And after that, still lots of quality prospects to fill out the rest of the first round as well. 2016 had the likes of McAvoy, Sergachev, Chychrun, Fabbro, Keller, Tkachuk, Jost, etc taken after it. I think Hughes, McIsaac, Dobson, Boqvist, Veleno, Wahlstrom, Kotkaniemi, etc. stack up extremely favorably to that same group from 2016.
To me, they're quite similar drafts in terms of top end talent and in terms of depth through the 1st round.
Yahhhh, no that's not accurate at all. It's still early and the 2017 draft has room to improve. But right now it's nowhere near that high on the pecking order.
I dont think you'd find a single person who prefers the 2017 draft class to 2013. The 2013 draft is still not even 5 years old, and in the Top 10 alone it now has 2 elite 1C's in Mackinnon and Barkov, another couple strong 1/2 Centers in Horvat/Monahan. A bordering elite #1D in Jones. And a pair of very good #2/3 Dmen in Nurse/Ristolainen.
And only a single "bust" in the Top 10 in Nichushkin, who could very well prove to be a good player when he eventually returns to the NHL.
We'll have to wait and see for a few years, but I dont think the 2017 draft will come close to that kind of talent being produced from it. Only Hischier and Petersson have legit 1C upside without vastly exceeding expectations and neither of them are locks to be 1C's by any stretch. And on the back end, Makar and Heiskanen both project much more to be along the lines of what Ristolainen and Nurse are in the league more so then what Jones is.
The 2017 draft is actually on the weaker side. When all is said and done I expect it to match up with the 2014 draft in terms of talent. A lot of disappointment especially at the very top, but a few good players sprinkled in the rest of the Top 10 and down through the draft to keep it well ahead of the 2012 draft.
2017 has produced exactly one top 6 players, maybe 2 at the moment. 2013 has already produced a bunch (I know this is unfair given time of development). Eventually, the busts will start to emerge for 2017, similar to how they did for 2013. Everyone is just optimistic about the 2017 guys because they haven't proven to be failures yet. Most drafts stay pretty similar after the top 10, so to point to the busts in the 20's of 2013, and expecting it to be different for 2017 is a bit off. About 35% of players drafted between 20 and 30 become some sort of valuable core piece. 65% tend to become waiver fodder, 4th liners or bottom pairing defenders. I don't expect that to dramatically change. I'd identify atleast 4 valuable core pieces in the 20 to 30 range of 2013 that are long-term Top 9 players or top 4 defenders in Shea Theodore, Andre Burahowsky, Mantha and Hartman. 4 of the top 6 in 2017 can be labeled franchise players, that is a bar very few drafts match.Look at the later portion of the 2017 and compare it to 2013. Blows it out of the water even now. The top 10 is a little in 2013s favor but I think Hischier will be better than Mackinnon and Barkov.
Its not fact that ones better than the other, its opinion.
If you are saying producing more nhl players, then maybe, but if you are talking about top 6 elite talent produced, 2017>>>>>2013
In the first round, I only see one top pairing defenseman (jones who is a number 1) and theodore has the potential to be a number 1 (maybe nurse too). Sorry if people think Ristolainen is a top pairing dman, he's just on a really bad team to get those minutes. I just see more capable top pairing dmen in 2017 draft class.2017 has produced exactly one top 6 players, maybe 2 at the moment. 2013 has already produced a bunch (I know this is unfair given time of development). Eventually, the busts will start to emerge for 2017, similar to how they did for 2013. Everyone is just optimistic about the 2017 guys because they haven't proven to be failures yet. Most drafts stay pretty similar after the top 10, so to point to the busts in the 20's of 2013, and expecting it to be different for 2017 is a bit off. About 35% of players drafted between 20 and 30 become some sort of valuable core piece. 65% tend to become waiver fodder, 4th liners or bottom pairing defenders. I don't expect that to dramatically change. I'd identify atleast 4 valuable core pieces in the 20 to 30 range of 2013 that are long-term Top 9 players or top 4 defenders in Shea Theodore, Andre Burahowsky, Mantha and Hartman. 4 of the top 6 in 2017 can be labeled franchise players, that is a bar very few drafts match.
So far 2013 has produced 3 bonafide #1 C's, and a clear franchise defender in the top 10. Then you have guys like Slavin later on.
I think you are being too optimistic on 2017 because the busts have yet to emerge, while you can look at 2013 with hindsight. A bunch of the 2013 guys had very impressive draft +1's. Look at Mantha, Morrissey, Max Domi, Pulock, Lazar, Kerby Rychel, Poirier, etc.In the first round, I only see one top pairing defenseman (jones who is a number 1) and theodore has the potential to be a number 1 (maybe nurse too). Sorry if people think Ristolainen is a top pairing dman, he's just on a really bad team to get those minutes. I just see more capable top pairing dmen in 2017 draft class.
On the other hand, the centers in the 2013 draft might outweigh the centers from the 2017 on the position itself, but there are a lot more elite offensive talents in the 2017 draft class imo. Players outside the top 10: Vesalainen, Tolvanen, Vilardi, Necas, Frost, Thomas have all had pretty great d+1 seasons so far and I'd project the class as a whole to be better than 2013.
I'm still sticking with my opinion, just because I see in my mind how players will project to the nhl level, not that all of them will (Ill be wrong on some of them), but you make some very valid points. I do agree that the top 10 of 2017 will not produce an equal caliber to monahan, Barkov, Mackinnon, and jones. Although I think Monahan is the weakest out of the 4.I think you are being too optimistic on 2017 because the busts have yet to emerge, while you can look at 2013 with hindsight. A bunch of the 2013 guys had very impressive draft +1's. Look at Mantha, Morrissey, Max Domi, Pulock, Lazar, Kerby Rychel, Poirier, etc.
I think its unlikely that the first round as a whole, creates an equivalent of Jones, Barkov, Mackinnon, and Monahan. That is an extremely strong top of the draft, and then there are a quite a few other guys who fit into teams cores.
I'm thinking it's not necessarily Dahlin they're tanking for.Yep, but I'd add that there is a generational defenseman in Dahlin.
Guess that's the reason teams like Chicago, Montreal, and NYR are tanking hard this season. Teams that have no real reason for being in that position.
Also, this seems to be a better year for 1st round defensemen going by the draft predictions.