Thebesthockey
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Jay O’Brien.
Nuff said
LOL High school hockey with 15 year olds
credibility out the door on this list
Jay O’Brien.
Nuff said
These rankings are always a sobering reminder of how subjective and tricky hockey scouting can be. Which is not to say this is a bad ranking at all. But it's a reminder that when a scout goes to see a player, they're getting an observation that might not be representative of that player's true ability. Combine that with the fact that every scout has their own perspective that creeps through, no matter how objective they try to be, and you can get very different rankings for the same players. And for me, that difference is a marker that there's a real person actually watching these players and making judgment calls. I get suspicious when rankings are too close to consensus.
Compete is something I'd say certainly can't be learned
LOL High school hockey with 15 year olds
credibility out the door on this list
LOL High school hockey with 15 year olds
credibility out the door on this list
this could be the stupidest post I have seen in some time....
i will tell you whats ******ed
droping in a player into the first round playing in a soft league while ignoring ppg players in the ohl or leading point getters in the ojhl
garbage
Let's just ignore how he looked when he played temporarily with the U-18's this year.are you just trying to double down now?
take a look at how many players get selected out of high school, then take a look at how many have been taken in the past 30 plus years in the first 2 rounds - I do not know how all those all-stars made it to the NHL against such pathetic competition in such inferior leagues..holy hell.
Let's just ignore how he looked when he played temporarily with the U-18's this year.
Maybe Merkley is overlooked because the kid literally is the 4th man back half the time as a defender and is a headcase that just got suspended by his team for "conduct detrimental to his team."3rd round ? 4th maybe
1st round ??? when player like McBain /Merkley etc,... are overlooked in the first round in this "list"
******ed
btw have you even seen what nepsac hockey looks like these days ??? does not even come close to OHL/WHL/JrA/Q...NOT EVEN CLOSE
God you stat line watchers annoy me to no end.Yes let’s not overlook his 1g and 1A in 7 games played with USDP.
Yeah he hates all the players with low stats. Not new.God you stat line watchers annoy me to no end.
Do yourself a favor, catch a USNDP game and after you do let me know your thoughts on the depth of the team. O'Brien was brought in for a brief stint, not getting top 6 minutes, but impressing the living hell out of the USNDP coach as one of the hardest working physically fit players he has seen in some time....I mean how dare he only put up those numbers on a team he wasn't originally selected for not playing top minutes....I just don't know why I bother anymore on here sometimes.
For NHL teams? They may have a goalie coach do specific scouting for goalies who doesn't scout anything else, but otherwise, you scout everything.
Scouts tend to be broken down regionally, with certain guys used to cross-check across regions to verify and check what their regional guys are seeing.
I track these prospects better than you or anyone I see on this Forum. How do I get a job?
Thanks for the response. Regardless of whether people agree with your rankings, it's admirable that you come discuss. At least compete is something that can be learned. I'd be more concerned if he had bad hockey sense. You see Bouchard more than I do, so let us know how he looks tomorrow night!
I know he has some issues, but Ryan Merkley falling out of the first round seems absolutely ridiculous to me.
Were HP the ones to rank Svechnikov #3 or was that someone else? I really did not care for that kind of contrarianism.
It was probably someone else.
@Mark Edwards can you comment on Akil Thomas and why he's not a top 30 prospect in this draft?
appreciate all the work as usual Mark, when you get a chance to comment back again, I would really like to hear your thoughts on having Jay O'Brien over Blake McLaughlin?? thanks again!
These rankings are always a sobering reminder of how subjective and tricky hockey scouting can be. Which is not to say this is a bad ranking at all. But it's a reminder that when a scout goes to see a player, they're getting an observation that might not be representative of that player's true ability. Combine that with the fact that every scout has their own perspective that creeps through, no matter how objective they try to be, and you can get very different rankings for the same players. And for me, that difference is a marker that there's a real person actually watching these players and making judgment calls. I get suspicious when rankings are too close to consensus.
Let's just ignore how he looked when he played temporarily with the U-18's this year.
yeah, I didn't even think of mentioning that, or the rave reviews the kid gets from the USNDP coach Appett...
Yes let’s not overlook his 1g and 1A in 7 games played with USDP.
One thing I would love to ask a successful scouting teams GM is how do they track their individual Scouts historical results. Projecting is pretty quirky but some scouts have to be better at it than others and it seems like previous individual lists would be one way of tracking this?
I would be really interested to find out who the US based Jets scouts are. I tend to like who they have been identifying and drafting out of the US even in the later rounds.
Drafting feels like such a quirky art.
He was pretty quiet until the last 2 minutes, then he helped the Knights complete a comeback. As far as compete, it wasn't a game where Guelph made him work too hard.
I know numerous NHL team scouts who say they won't draft him at all. We will find out who likes him and in what round in June. One in particular surprised me because he really liked him and defended him last season.
Not us.
I don't think it's fair to subscribers to post where we have players ranked but I'll say he hasn't fallen off a cliff for us. He has had a lot of blah efforts in my viewings.
Blake really struggled in my viewings (I also interviewed Blake in Truro. ) O'Brien has been great. Dusten (our Wisco based scout) has dropped Blake as well.
Some good stuff in there. Plenty of factors over the scouting season can influence a scouts list.
And I've seen him a lot with the U18's - He played very well in all my viewings. In high school, I simply evaluate tools and forget about the competition. Dylan Samberg is an example of that in last years draft.
Yes, Seth loves him. I knew that before the fall classic and asked him if he was bringing him to Pittsburgh. One of many reasons I made the trip to Pittsburgh.
Played about 12 minutes vs Michigan State (not high school). Played great and you might want to temper point expectations based on opportunity.
I know several of the Jets guys pretty well, I've even met their Euro guys several times. The scouts you ask about (USHL guys) are Max Giese (main USHL area guy) who I've known since he was about 18. Brian Renfrew and Scott Scoville also assist Max in crossover rolls.
Brian lives in Michigan, Max in Wisconsin - Scott Scoville lives in Boston now.
And of course, Mark (head scout) and Zinger (Craig Heisinger) travel everywhere as well.
Some good guys in this scouting business, those are some of them. I obviously see Chris Snell (Ontario/QMJHL) and Yanick Lemay (QMJHL/Ontario) more often than a guy like Max based purely on Geography.
Thanks Mark for answering my question. I have subscribed to most of the publications over the years and would recommend the Black Book as the number 1 resource I good to now. You guys clearly do your work in the field and the detail is great.
Just noticing this is like the only place that has a reasonable ranking on Barrett Hayton.
Guy is under a PPG on a team with 300 goals that scores 4.6 goals a game. And is't not like he is very dynamic offensively. I don't see any reason he should be ranked top 15, except that he is still riding out his Hlinka performance like a champ.