Player Discussion Hampus Lindholm III - the Return/Revenge of the Swede?

[Sojourn]

The difference, to me, between Suter and Lindholm is that Suter is the quarterback out there. Lindholm is not. It isn't as simple as "Lindholm is very good defensively, so with more points he'll be Suter-like."

When I watched Suter play, I saw a player who collects the puck, slows things down, and just starts directing the play. Lindholm doesn't do that. This is where the analytics movement completely falls on its ass. Hampus does a lot of things very well, but he isn't the guy who collects the puck and starts directing his troops. Not yet, at any rate. The only defensemen that we have, who I feel, does that is Fowler, and he doesn't do it consistently enough to be "that guy" either.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Getzlaf for Norris?

 

[Sojourn]

Getzlaf for Norris?

I mean, kind of.

If we're talking about a few votes, I think good statistics are enough. If we're talking about a legitimate Norris candidate, I think it takes a level of play and impact that Lindholm simply hasn't shown.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I mean, kind of.

If we're talking about a few votes, I think good statistics are enough. If we're talking about a legitimate Norris candidate, I think it takes a level of play and impact that Lindholm simply hasn't shown.

I was just having fun with Getzlaf's versatility in being both a Vezina and Norris candidate.

 

[Paul4587]

The difference, to me, between Suter and Lindholm is that Suter is the quarterback out there. Lindholm is not. It isn't as simple as "Lindholm is very good defensively, so with more points he'll be Suter-like."

When I watched Suter play, I saw a player who collects the puck, slows things down, and just starts directing the play. Lindholm doesn't do that. This is where the analytics movement completely falls on its ass. Hampus does a lot of things very well, but he isn't the guy who collects the puck and starts directing his troops. Not yet, at any rate. The only defensemen that we have, who I feel, does that is Fowler, and he doesn't do it consistently enough to be "that guy" either.

Yeah but thats the difference between the two. I'm saying if Lindholm develops those kind of traits his offence will come and he will be in that conversation. He's already among the leagues best defensively. He doesn't play the most minutes on this team but he is matched up against the oppositions best players more than any other Dman we have and he comes out on the better end of those matchups more often than not. He's consistently our best PKer. The only thing that needs to come for him to be in the conversation for the leagues best is production.

 

[Vipers31]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/modern-day-defencemans-role-neutral-zone-play-driver/

Even though more people have been slowly experiencing their come to Jesus moment about how ridiculously good Hampus Lindholm really is, when you look at how Norris Trophy votes are being doled out it’s clear that perception still hasn’t caught up to reality.

It’ll be tough for him to get the type of national love he deserves registering only modest point totals in Anaheim, but he’s turned the act of using angles to beat forwards to the spot they’re trying to get to into a science. In fact, no one was a stingier defender of their own blue line than Lindholm during the 2017 post-season: [...]

The way Lindholm dissects opposing attackers is a true joy to watch and makes him stand out from the pack. He uses his combination of skating ability, smarts, and occasionally well-placed brute force to apply pressure where it’s needed so that he can impose his will on whatever is happening on the ice.

 

[Paul4587]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/modern-day-defencemans-role-neutral-zone-play-driver/

Being the massive Lindholm fan I am beat you to it haha. Although I didn't provide the informative quotes.


Edit: I'm on a phone right now but below are links to the tweets that give some data of the top guys at getting puck out of zone and top guys at defending through neutral zone:

https://twitter.com/dimfilipovic/status/880844521268957184

https://twitter.com/dimfilipovic/status/880841171135741952

We had 6 guys in the list of the top at getting it out of zone with possession (Fowler, Lindholm, Vatanen, Montour, Theodore and surprisingly Manson. Holzer was the worst at getting the puck out with possession and Bieksa was also bad.

On the flip side Lindholm was best in league at defending through NZ and denying attacker entering zone and was our line appearance on best list. On the worst list Bieksa, Theodore, Montour and Fowler made appearances.

 

[Vipers31]

Being the massive Lindholm fan I am beat you to it haha. Although I didn't provide the informative quotes.

Damn, I was quickly skimming through the last page but missed it.

 

[Paul4587]

Damn, I was quickly skimming through the last page but missed it.

Haha that's because I was busy ranting about how he could get Norris attention if he ups his offensive numbers. That's my fault.

I just added to my post above the tweets with some actual data and not a hard to read graph of the top and bottom guys in each field.

 

[Magnus the Duck]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/modern-day-defencemans-role-neutral-zone-play-driver/

But he made mistakes in some games, he is so uneven!

 

[Magnus the Duck]

Not done whining, I noticed that "he who shall not be named" got $300K more AAV than Lindholm from next season and onward.

 

[Paul4587]

Not done whining, I noticed that "he who shall not be named" got $300K more AAV than Lindholm from next season and onward.

Amazing what playing with Crosby and Malkin did to his earning potential.

 

[The Noot]

Not done whining, I noticed that "he who shall not be named" got $300K more AAV than Lindholm from next season and onward.

Kinda conflicted about this. On one hand it's pissing me off that he managed to fraud himself to that paycheck, on the other hand I'm happy it's not the Ducks who are paying him this amount.

 

[Magnus the Duck]

Jakob Silfverberg got married 22 July with his girlfriend Clara Welin Brook. Lindholm and Rakell was there.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BW23Z1bBTZ6/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BW2-6N8jPq-/

Also Lindholm said "Shoulder is healing great thanks to all the good people helping me".
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWqNYq_By9c/

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Is Ricky's deal so good for the Ducks that he can't even afford a pair of socks?

 

[Magnus the Duck]

Is Ricky's deal so good for the Ducks that he can't even afford a pair of socks?

It's a "thing" over here, lots of people either wearing very short socks or no socks at all. Started last year, been picking up this year.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

It's a "thing" over here, lots of people either wearing very short socks or no socks at all. Started last year, been picking up this year.

Well, at least it goes well with the house slippers he's wearing. I think I have a pair just like 'em.

 

[Magnus the Duck]

Shamelessly stolen from Mr Lindholm's Instagram


Hampus and puppy

Hampus and hockey stick

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

That looks like physical therapy tape running down his quad/knee. What's with that?

 

[Paul4587]

That looks like physical therapy tape running down his quad/knee. What's with that?

There was another pic where he had some kind of bandage on his knee. I'm guessing he was nursing multiple injuries by the time the playoffs rolled around?

 

[Magnus the Duck]

From an earlier video on Instragram you can see it both on knee and shoulder.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWqNYq_By9c/?hl=en&taken-by=hampuslindholm47

 

[duxfan1101]

It's kinesio tape, athletes at all levels use it. Doesn't necessarily mean it's an injury.
"Kinesio Tape alleviates discomfort and facilitates lymphatic drainage by microscopically lifting the skin. This lifting affect forms convolutions in the skin thus increasing interstitial space and allowing for a decrease in inflammation, reducing pressure while enabling a more effective flow of blood and lymphatic fluid in and out of the target area."

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

There was another pic where he had some kind of bandage on his knee. I'm guessing he was nursing multiple injuries by the time the playoffs rolled around?

That wouldn't surprise me, especially judging by the amount of tape on the knee on the instagram video.

It's kinesio tape, athletes at all levels use it. Doesn't necessarily mean it's an injury.
"Kinesio Tape alleviates discomfort and facilitates lymphatic drainage by microscopically lifting the skin. This lifting affect forms convolutions in the skin thus increasing interstitial space and allowing for a decrease in inflammation, reducing pressure while enabling a more effective flow of blood and lymphatic fluid in and out of the target area."

True, but it generally is applied to areas of the body to facilitate healing. Not something used in everyday training.

 

[caliamad]

How old are these pics, shouldn't he have scar from the shoulder surgery?

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

How old are these pics, shouldn't he have scar from the shoulder surgery?

I'm pretty sure it was a scope job. You'd have to look really hard to see the scars from the tiny holes.