Rumor: Habs made an offer for Dubois

[Junohockeyfan]

So they are going with a Buffalo style 10 year plan? Tanking generally only works if you can add an elite player and already have a solid supporting cast, otherwise the pick typically flounders. Even a generational layer like McDavid can't carry a team by themselves.


Well free except for the 9+ million UFA contract. He may want to play for the Habs, but he's still going to get paid and 26 year old UFA centers expect to get paid a lot...

This is year 2 of the tank. The year prior the Habs were in the cup final. Nothing wrong with 2 years of tankage, when 2 or 3 franchise players are available.

If PLD wants to play for the Habs, then he will have to make it worth their while to take him. That means a hometown discount bitches!!

 

[sansabri]

This is year 2 of the tank. The year prior the Habs were in the cup final. Nothing wrong with 2 years of tankage, when 2 or 3 franchise players are available.

If PLD wants to play for the Habs, then he will have to make it worth their while to take him. That means a hometown discount bitches!!

this is year 1. we didn't tank last season

 

[Stej]

There's way, way, way too much smoke about Dubois wanting to play for the Habs for it to be only an agent's ploy.


No, they can't, unless there are things I don't understand about qualifying offers.

(Of course if Dubois does absolutely not want to play under this QO then the Jets can make him sit, but that's more a case of Dubois playing hard head than the Jets playing hard ball)

I agree with you. An earlier post mentioned accepting the QO as an option for PLD.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

this is year 1. we didn't tank last season

We tanked after half the season was over. It wasn't a dedicated tank but an opportunistic one.

This season is a dedicated tank. Hughes made trades that made the Habs far worse this coming season to secure the future.

 

[SCP Guy]

Habs are not a good trade partner this summer… And PLD can’t force the trade to 1 team with 2 years left before UFA…. This won’t work the way he hopes it will… I hope his agent hasn’t told him this will be an easy road to take yikes

 

[RangerBoy]

Habs are not a good trade partner this summer… And PLD can’t force the trade to 1 team with 2 years left before UFA…. This won’t work the way he hopes it will… I hope his agent hasn’t told him this will be an easy road to take yikes

Dubois went to draft in Montreal for a reason. The Habs are interested in him. How many other teams want the Dubois headache? He thought a trade was being made at the draft. Someone told him.

IF the Jets can sign PLD to a 2-year 7M AAV deal. Then retain 50% and trade him to a cup-contender, they will get a ton of return. That's how i would play it if i were Chevy. But Chevy doesn't have balls or deep pockets to hold them.

Habs have zero incentive to trade for him.

Why would Dubois sign a two year contract? He could have filed for salary arbitration and the Jets pick the term. One or two seasons.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Dubois went to draft in Montreal for a reason. The Habs are interested in him. How many other teams want the Dubois headache? He thought a trade was being made at the draft. Someone told him.


Why would Dubois sign a two year contract? He could have filed for salary arbitration and the Jets pick the term. One or two seasons.

Obviously PLD wants a 2 year contract that carries him to UFA.

 

[Kimota]

So they are going with a Buffalo style 10 year plan? Tanking generally only works if you can add an elite player and already have a solid supporting cast, otherwise the pick typically flounders. Even a generational layer like McDavid can't carry a team by themselves.

Not ten years, they already have a few nice pieces, they are set as far as D prospects. All they need to do is tank just one more year.

 

[kylbaz]

those 4 games were a pretty big deal

Imagine using a four game sample size as evidence.

Montreal fans need to realize PLD to Montreal in free agency is not a lock. All PLD said was he would like to play in Montreal at some time in his career. In two years Montreal still may be absolutely terrible and maybe he signs with a contender for 7-8 years and finishes his career after that in Montreal.

 

[MXD]

Imagine using a four game sample size as evidence.

Montreal fans need to realize PLD to Montreal in free agency is not a lock. All PLD said was he would like to play in Montreal at some time in his career. In two years Montreal still may be absolutely terrible and maybe he signs with a contender for 7-8 years and finishes his career after that in Montreal.

... In which case, Dubois will do like about 98% of the NHL players and not play for the Montreal Canadiens.

It doesn't make sense for the Canadiens to trade for a player like Dubois (at the price the Jets will legitimately want to get for him) right now. And if Dubois isn't amongst the starting 23 this year or next year or in two years, so be it, it's not like the franchise will relocate.

 

[ffh]

IF the Jets can sign PLD to a 2-year 7M AAV deal. Then retain 50% and trade him to a cup-contender, they will get a ton of return. That's how i would play it if i were Chevy. But Chevy doesn't have balls or deep pockets to hold them.

Habs have zero incentive to trade for him.

Yeah a team that will likely be fighting for a playoff spot will trade him for picks and prospects at the deadline. How bout they keep him and at worst get a 2c and some other peices for him.

 

[MXD]

Yeah a team that will likely be fighting for a playoff spot will trade him for picks and prospects at the deadline. How bout they keep him and at worst get a 2c and some other peices for him.

... Okay, why would any non-rebuilding team trade a 2C for... another 2C who's possibly bolting in 2 seasons?

 

[lomiller1]

Not ten years, they already have a few nice pieces, they are set as far as D prospects. All they need to do is tank just one more year.

That's what Buffalo thought 10 years ago.

IMO There are no superstars in the Habs prospect list. Even the ones that develop into NHL players are 4-5 years away from making an impact. Half of the ones with real potential to be impact players won't develop the way you hope. (That goes for the promising prospects on pretty much every list) The Habs have a lot of top 9/Top 4 spots they need to fill to be a playoff contender and I just don't see them having this in their prospect pool. It's going to be a long rebuild unless they supplement it somehow to keep their young players from jumping ship on account of all the loosing.

 

[tbcwpg]

Obviously PLD wants a 2 year contract that carries him to UFA.

I see him getting a year, playing it out this year, and then getting traded next summer somewhere.

 

[Buffdog]

Obviously PLD wants a 2 year contract that carries him to UFA.

He could have just gone the route of arbitration x2 with consecutive 1 year deals. The reason he didn't file is because he wants out NOW.

That's why more jets fans are saying "let him sit".

And Habs fans... FOR THE 1000TH TIME, JETS FANS DON'T WANT GUHLE!

We have a glut of lefties. We're actually trying to move one or two ourselves to make room for our youngsters that are arguably better prospects than him anyway. Fack

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

53 pages and no legit update since the OP

This is worse than Kent Brockman’s Killer Storm Death Toll Counter

 

[lomiller1]

... Okay, why would any non-rebuilding team trade a 2C for... another 2C who's possibly bolting in 2 seasons?

A team in that views themselves as a contender and needs another top 6 center would have no problems doing this.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

He could have just gone the route of arbitration x2 with consecutive 1 year deals. The reason he didn't file is because he wants out NOW.

That's why more jets fans are saying "let him sit".

And Habs fans... FOR THE 1000TH TIME, JETS FANS DON'T WANT GUHLE!

We have a glut of lefties. We're actually trying to move one or two ourselves to make room for our youngsters that are arguably better prospects than him anyway. Fack

Why are you even mentioning Guhle? Habs have no reason to trade for PLD.

The rationale is simple. Tank and hope to draft a future 1C in the 2023 draft and/or hope that Dach pans out and becomse a 2C over the next 2 seasons. If neither of those occur, then sign PLD in 2024.

Habs are in dedicated tank mode. They purposely made the team worse this coming season.

 

[MXD]

A team in that views themselves as a contender and needs another top 6 center would have no problems doing this.

Then they'd... add a center, not merely substitute one for another?

 

[Buffdog]

Why are you even mentioning Guhle? Habs have no reason to trade for PLD.

The rationale is simple. Tank and hope to draft a future 1C in the 2023 draft and/or hope that Dach pans out and becomse a 2C over the next 2 seasons. If neither of those occur, then sign PLD in 2024.

Habs are in dedicated tank mode. They purposely made the team worse this coming season.

I mentionned guile because a bunch of Habs fans are talking about how untouchable he is even though not a single jets fan has included him in a proposal.

As for PLD, apparently Hughes disagrees because he made an offer for him at or before the draft. So regardless of how much interest random anonymous Habs fans on a hockey forum have, the actual guy who runs the show seems to have at least a little

 

[kenobiwan]

If Habs are just gonna sign him in 2 years then no need for yous to be here….BE GONE!!! And tell your GM to quit making trade offers for him!

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I mentionned guile because a bunch of Habs fans are talking about how untouchable he is even though not a single jets fan has included him in a proposal.

As for PLD, apparently Hughes disagrees because he made an offer for him at or before the draft. So regardless of how much interest random anonymous Habs fans on a hockey forum have, the actual guy who runs the show seems to have at least a little

No one knows if its true or what the offer might have been. If the offer was a bunch of capdumps and the later 1st round pick, then that would have made sense at the time.

But that has passed and the Habs are now well positioned to tank and see Dach's development over the next 2 seasons. As of today, there is no reason to trade for PLD.

 

[kenobiwan]

If Habs are just gonna sign him in 2 years then no need for yous to be here….BE GONE!!! And tell your GM to quit making trade offers for him!

 

[Junohockeyfan]

If Habs are just gonna sign him in 2 years then no need for yous to be here….BE GONE!!! And tell your GM to quit making trade offers for him!

LOL, what?

PLD's situation technically has nothing to do with the Habs. It has to do with PLD not wanting to be a Jet in the near and longterm. Habs really have little to do with it other than a potential opportunity to sign PLD ,if they even want to, in 2024.

 

[SCP Guy]

LOL, what?

PLD's situation technically has nothing to do with the Habs. It has to do with PLD not wanting to be a Jet in the near and longterm. Habs really have little to do with it other than a potential opportunity to sign PLD ,if they even want to, in 2024.

You forgot a part about them making a “substantial” offer for PLD that was enough to make him attend the draft, and ended up with him and his agent looking pretty dumb… so to say they are not involved at all is naive at best and deceitful at worst.
How serious they are really depends on the details of the offer that we will never know…. But if it was trash a cap dump and a 2nd rounder how dumb is PLD’s agent to let him attend? Lol