Give GMJR a Grade (cumulative)

[Coastal Kev]

The organization didn't like despres period. Apparently the last straw was when he was late to a flight last year from being hungover, they were trying to move him since then. Still dont know why they just gave up on him instead of working on it.

Bottom line is he was gone this year regardless of the coach or gm.

I would have been OK with a Despres trade if we had received something of value in return.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

So what it was still his final call. We are giving JR props for signing Plots and that was likely with significant input from Fitzy.

The GM should get the praise and blame for all moves. Now, there is always the possibility that Morehouse is meddling in these types of moves, but since we don't have concrete evidence, we have to assume JR signed off on the trade.

Just because he signed off on the move doesn't mean he agreed with it. Again, everything that has been said/reported on the deal has convinced me JR didn't want to make the move.

And to say it was his final call is a bit ignorant, IMO.

 

[NeedleInTheHay]

Just because he signed off on the move doesn't mean he agreed with it. Again, everything that has been said/reported on the deal has convinced me JR didn't want to make the move.

And to say it was his final call is a bit ignorant, IMO.

Doesn't JR only have 3 people above him? Lemieux, Burkle, Morehouse?

So you're saying one of them forced the deal? And why would they do that?

 

[Zero Pucks]

Even if there's a good reason Despres was traded, then why Lovejoy?

Yeah, who knows. If Winnipeg was able to get the return they got for that basket-case Evander Kane, then there is no reason we couldn't gotten a fair return for Despres.

 

[Zero Pucks]

The organization didn't like despres period. Apparently the last straw was when he was late to a flight last year from being hungover, they were trying to move him since then. Still dont know why they just gave up on him instead of working on it.

Bottom line is he was gone this year regardless of the coach or gm.

We were trying to move him for a year and all we could get was ****ing Ben Lovejoy?

 

[plaidchuck]

We were trying to move him for a year and all we could get was ****ing Ben Lovejoy?

Trying to move him as in he was on the craplist and not in the organizations long term future plans.

 

[Ziggyjoe21]

Nope.

You whole argument is basically "hindsight in 20/20". JR should have totally foreseen the rash or injuries that would happen in the last month of the season and tanked for McEichel!

His moves didn't pan out last season.

 

[Ziggyjoe21]

Just because he signed off on the move doesn't mean he agreed with it. Again, everything that has been said/reported on the deal has convinced me JR didn't want to make the move.

And to say it was his final call is a bit ignorant, IMO.

Is it possible to remove someone from blame anymore than this statement? It's like saying just because the shooter shot the murder victim doesn't mean he wanted to shoot him. Morehouse must have convinced him to do it

Sounds like you made up a rumor and now telling everyone "I HEARD A RUMOR SO IT IS TRUE!"

 

[The Old Master]

Just because he signed off on the move doesn't mean he agreed with it. Again, everything that has been said/reported on the deal has convinced me JR didn't want to make the move.

And to say it was his final call is a bit ignorant, IMO.

ok, if it wasn't jr then why would he come up with those *Y*&^&%& reasons he made the trade? and then all the character assentation.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

ok, if it wasn't jr then why would he come up with those *Y*&^&%& reasons he made the trade? and then all the character assentation.

So you think JR coming out, imedialy, with negative comments on the trade means it was his idea? That makes zero sense.

Is it possible to remove someone from blame anymore than this statement? It's like saying just because the shooter shot the murder victim doesn't mean he wanted to shoot him. Morehouse must have convinced him to do it

Sounds like you made up a rumor and now telling everyone "I HEARD A RUMOR SO IT IS TRUE!"

If you want to bury your head in the sand and put all of Des on JR that's your prerogative. It's completely false, but many people have ignorant opinions.

His moves didn't pan out last season.

Again, that's 20/20 hindsight, which is a pretty garbage way to ***** a GM. Except for the Des move, which we've covered, all of his moves made sense at the time. It's not his fault the team fall apart.

 

[The Old Master]

So you think JR coming out, imedialy, with negative comments on the trade means it was his idea? That makes zero sense

no...I meant he came out with comments like fatty's a fighter while lovejoy is a hitter. trying to justify the trade.

 

[Ziggyjoe21]

So you think JR coming out, imedialy, with negative comments on the trade means it was his idea? That makes zero sense.



If you want to bury your head in the sand and put all of Des on JR that's your prerogative. It's completely false, but many people have ignorant opinions.



Again, that's 20/20 hindsight, which is a pretty garbage way to ***** a GM. Except for the Des move, which we've covered, all of his moves made sense at the time. It's not his fault the team fall apart.

I didn't know there's a different way to judge a GM's moves other than in hindsight of how his acquisitions and team performed.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

I didn't know there's a different way to judge a GM's moves other than in hindsight of how his acquisitions and team performed.

Again, blaming JR for not foreseeing half the team getting hurt is a pretty garbage way to evaluate him.

 

[sf expat71]

Again, blaming JR for not foreseeing half the team getting hurt is a pretty garbage way to evaluate him.

I'm curious, did you view our team as a legitimate cup contender last season if it weren't for the injuries? There's no way of knowing of course, because we can't undo the injuries, but I didn't really think we were getting past the division, let alone the East or winning the cup.

 

[UnderratedBrooks44]

I give him a B. It's a shame because all he had to do was stand pat with Despres. Otherwise I love the vast majority of moves.

 

[Ziggyjoe21]

Again, blaming JR for not foreseeing half the team getting hurt is a pretty garbage way to evaluate him.

Perron Winnik Spaling Lovejoy didn't get any significant injuries and all severely underperformed. Ehrhoff was bad when he wasn't injured.

The team was underperforming before the injury bug hit.

You missed the point of my post which was no matter how good the acquisitions looked on paper they didn't pan out on the ice.

 

[Penguinator]

Perron's aquisition worked until he ran out of gas, having not been able to train prior to last season due to an injury. Spaling helped us get Kessel, Winnik had bad timing in hindsight & Lovejoy was a major miscalculation.

 

[Ziggyjoe21]

Perron's aquisition worked until he ran out of gas, having not been able to train prior to last season due to an injury. Spaling helped us get Kessel, Winnik had bad timing in hindsight & Lovejoy was a major miscalculation.

Is this legitimatizing the trades or something? Or are you just explaining why they played as bad as they did?

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

I'm curious, did you view our team as a legitimate cup contender last season if it weren't for the injuries? There's no way of knowing of course, because we can't undo the injuries, but I didn't really think we were getting past the division, let alone the East or winning the cup.

At the TDL we were 4 pts outside of 1st in the East and looking good. I don't think we were contenders but reaching the ECF didn't seem out of the question. Had we been healthy, and how well MAF was playing, I could see them making the ECF and possibly beating the 1 line Bolts.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

You missed the point of my post which was no matter how good the acquisitions looked on paper they didn't pan out on the ice.

I'll try to explain this slowly for you. There is a big difference between a move that looked good at the time not working out as well as planned because of injuries and a move that was looked bad when it was made.

Again, blaming JR for not seeing the rash of injuries the team would endure at the end of the season is ****ing stupid.

 

[Ziggyjoe21]

I'll try to explain this slowly for you. There is a big difference between a move that looked good at the time not working out as well as planned because of injuries and a move that was looked bad when it was made.

Again, blaming JR for not seeing the rash of injuries the team would endure at the end of the season is ****ing stupid.

Good teams overcome injuries. Pens always had injury problems during the Shero/DB era.

Are you JR's grandson? You must think he pisses whiskey. He can do no wrong, eh?

 

[Ziggyjoe21]

At the TDL we were 4 pts outside of 1st in the East and looking good. I don't think we were contenders but reaching the ECF didn't seem out of the question. Had we been healthy, and how well MAF was playing, I could see them making the ECF and possibly beating the 1 line Bolts.

At the TDL they were 6 points out of 1st place and the 6th seed.

On November 30, the Pens were in 1st place with a record of 16-5-2. Since then their record was 26-22-10. In other words they finished with 26 wins and 32 losses.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Perron Winnik Spaling Lovejoy didn't get any significant injuries and all severely underperformed. Ehrhoff was bad when he wasn't injured.

The team was underperforming before the injury bug hit.

You missed the point of my post which was no matter how good the acquisitions looked on paper they didn't pan out on the ice.

Bold were not even on the team yet

The injury bug started in early Nov.


Pens were 6-3 in Oct./10-4 in Nov./7-7 in Dec.
http://penguins.nhl.com/club/app

Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Good teams overcome injuries. Pens always had injury problems during the Shero/DB era.

Are you JR's grandson? You must think he pisses whiskey. He can do no wrong, eh?

You're right. It's JRs fault the injuries happened. He's a terrible GM. We should get Shero back!

 

[Ziggyjoe21]

You're right. It's JRs fault the injuries happened. He's a terrible GM. We should get Shero back!

You're putting too much emphasis on injuries regarding the players we're talking about.

Regardless, I'm glad you finally see it my way. The most important thing here is that I was right and you are wrong.