If you're extremely sick but decide to show up to the office anyway and take on all your normal duties, then make a handful of huge mistakes that cost your company a lot of money, you're not going to get a pat on the back from your boss and a standing ovation from the office. They're going to be annoyed and tell you next time to just call in sick.
I get that it's a brave thing for Girardi to do. To play through pain. But it's also a selfish thing to do. He's hurting the team, and what would really be worth applauding is him swallowing his pride and sitting out for the betterment of the team until he's back at 100%.
i hate to wish injury on a player but i wouldnt mind a LTIR for dan until his contract is up
You would, Long term injury is not a get out of jail free card, it allows teams to go over the cap by the amount of the injured players cap hits but that causes a multitude of other issues as well.
Larry Brooks is doing an AMA on Reddit today
If you're extremely sick but decide to show up to the office anyway and take on all your normal duties, then make a handful of huge mistakes that cost your company a lot of money, you're not going to get a pat on the back from your boss and a standing ovation from the office. They're going to be annoyed and tell you next time to just call in sick.
I get that it's a brave thing for Girardi to do. To play through pain. But it's also a selfish thing to do. He's hurting the team, and what would really be worth applauding is him swallowing his pride and sitting out for the betterment of the team until he's back at 100%.
Tough to take you seriously when you seem to truly believe Girardi hasn't been of any usefulness over the last 8 years.
Long term IR is in Girardi's future. He collects his money and the Rangers use his space on other players.
Oh my God stop with this nonsense. Girardi has never been inured before this and truth be told shouldn't have started the season until his Ankle was 100% healed. Girardi will be fine. Just a question of how long it takes him to heal.
Until Tuesday, Girardi had played in 682 of a possible 687 games (plus 108 of 108 in the playoffs) since his Rangers/NHL debut on Jan. 27, 2007. This marked only the fifth game of the defenseman’s career he had missed because of injury (he was rested in the 2013-14 season finale) and the first since Feb. 7, 2013.Girardi has never missed games =/= Girardi has never been hurt.
Long term IR is in Girardi's future. He collects his money and the Rangers use his space on other players.
we are so close to the cap ceiling anyone it wouldnt be a huge deal....LTIR is used across the league as a way to hide players huge salaries....look at horton in columbus or savard in boston who i believe is still on IR every year, hell i think pronger is still on it in philly
ultimately the only way girardi is gone is if he retires, no one will take that cap hit...ive said it since we signed him that i thought it was a horrible contract (since im new no one can corroborate)
It is a huge deal.
Boston had to move some players they probably did not want to because of the cap.
Philly is basically there too.
Teams that use it and ride the ceiling and beyond, there is no accumulative cap space for deadline deals, those contracts count in the summer so any free agent signing has to fit in with those cap hits. Plus there is no room for overages, if a team has one that space is taken out of next years space. Bonuses come into effect.
Columbus and teams who do not ride the ceiling they can absorb it without too much damage. But they traded away a contract like that and had to take back Clarkson, so unless you want to see things like Clarksons deal here, or the Rangers to not be able to sign their RFAs or their UFA to be players or any new UFAs, you really don't want them using long term injury.
Except this ignores the fact that the coaches are the ones who make the call about who plays and who doesn't. They see him in practice, they see him in warm-ups, they speak to the team doctors, etc. It's not like Girardi just shows up and AV has no choice but to put him on the ice. If Girardi's struggles are injury related then this is AV's fault for playing someone when he shouldn't have.
Not a great analogy. When I used to call in sick---the job never liked it. It didn't matter how sick I was or wasn't. Not everyone works in an office either and I never worried about whether my employer made money or not. That was their issue. My issue was to do my job (not someone else's) to the best of my abilities.
i might not understand exactly how it works....if the rangers have 5 mil in cap space hypothetically and a player with a 5 mil cap hit gets put on ltir dont they have 10 mil in cap space?
Not really, they basically are allowed to go over the cap in the regular season by the amount of the long term injured players cap hit.
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2014/10/15/6951103/why-long-term-injured-reserve-is-not-good
http://thehockeyguys.net/timing-is-everything-maximizing-ltir-benefits/
What they could do which is shady but Chicago has done, closer to the deadline, put a player on long term injury, go above the cap by trade using that overage space, wait for the playoffs to roll around where technically there is no cap, take the player off long term injury and play him.
Until Tuesday, Girardi had played in 682 of a possible 687 games (plus 108 of 108 in the playoffs) since his Rangers/NHL debut on Jan. 27, 2007. This marked only the fifth game of the defenseman’s career he had missed because of injury (he was rested in the 2013-14 season finale) and the first since Feb. 7, 2013.
ok so in my example they would be able to acquire a rental player making 10 million or no? I understand there are many other ramifications involved but hypothetically in a vacuum they would have the ability to add a player making that much...not that i would recommend doing so
The offseason is a big part of the problem here. You can only have a guy on LTIR during the regular season, and while there is a cap cushion during the offseason, your maneuverability is severely limited.
There's a reason Boston unloaded the Savard contract and Philadelphia unloaded the Pronger contract by paying other teams to take them on.
Also, it may be a technicality, but putting a $5m contract on LTIR doesn't give you $5m extra cap space. It allows you to go over the cap by $5m. That means you don't have any cap space at all. There are more technical things that this affects.
Finally, it better be a career ending injury. The league can bring in their own doctors to check to see if the player really isn't fit to play. You can't just put a guy on LTIR. He has to be truly too injured to play, even if he's only capable of playing at the AHL level.
Okay, so if your bosses tell you to come in and do your job and make a bunch of amateur, massive mistakes, would they still be irate regardless of you being sick?
Girardi said his brain wasn't injured. Maybe they should double check that.The offseason is a big part of the problem here. You can only have a guy on LTIR during the regular season, and while there is a cap cushion during the offseason, your maneuverability is severely limited.
There's a reason Boston unloaded the Savard contract and Philadelphia unloaded the Pronger contract by paying other teams to take them on.
Also, it may be a technicality, but putting a $5m contract on LTIR doesn't give you $5m extra cap space. It allows you to go over the cap by $5m. That means you don't have any cap space at all. There are more technical things that this affects.
Finally, it better be a career ending injury. The league can bring in their own doctors to check to see if the player really isn't fit to play. You can't just put a guy on LTIR. He has to be truly too injured to play, even if he's only capable of playing at the AHL level.