Providence Bruins General Discussion II

[GloryDaze4877]

Why doesn't Providence develop Senyshyn just to be--or primarily to be--an offense-mind goalscorer? Must he absolutely learn a 200-foot game in order to succeed and for the Bruins to succeed? Phil Kessel, for example, is a goalscorer who doesn't really do defense, and yet the Penguins manage to do very well because other players have a strong defensive game. The Bruins have so many players and prospects that do well at the defensive end of things that I think that Boston can afford to develop Senyshyn so that he becomes a Kessel-lite player.

Senyshyn is not Kessel IMO. He’s not the kind of player that will be allowed to ignore his defensive responsibilities just to score goals. Now that I think of it, is any Bruin allowed to do this? Cassidy has more of a leash than Clode, but he obviously values defensive play.

One would think teaching Senyshyn to play a 200 ft game (combined with his natural abilities) would give him a better chance to play in the NHL, not less of a chance.

 

[Tampbear]

Why doesn't Providence develop Senyshyn just to be--or primarily to be--an offense-mind goalscorer? Must he absolutely learn a 200-foot game in order to succeed and for the Bruins to succeed? Phil Kessel, for example, is a goalscorer who doesn't really do defense, and yet the Penguins manage to do very well because other players have a strong defensive game. The Bruins have so many players and prospects that do well at the defensive end of things that I think that Boston can afford to develop Senyshyn so that he becomes a Kessel-lite player.

So we can decide he isn't truly helping the team and trade him away again? This literally just happened with Spooner, if they can get him to play solid 2 way hockey and still pot 30 goals I think we would be better off. I don't know if Seny will ever become what they hope, but I like the approach they are taking. They have a guy with all the skills and a willingness to learn what the coaches are teaching him, a guy we knew was extremely raw when drafted and was looking at a longer path to the NHL. We have Donato, Cehlarik and Bjork more or less ready for wing in the NHL. There is no rush to get Seny in the NHL so I like the long game of really developing him into the player that they want and not having all these guys' contracts all getting huge jumps at the same time while ending up with better players as well. Again, if he doesn't make it that sucks, but he has all the tools let the coaches see what they can get out of him, this is just his first year professional if there isn't a jump in production next year we should be worried.

 

[Montecristo]

Senyshyn is not Kessel IMO. He’s not the kind of player that will be allowed to ignore his defensive responsibilities just to score goals. Now that I think of it, is any Bruin allowed to do this? Cassidy has more of a leash than Clode, but he obviously values defensive play.

One would think teaching Senyshyn to play a 200 ft game (combined with his natural abilities) would give him a better chance to play in the NHL, not less of a chance.

I think offensive players are definitely better off if they can play in their own end as well. I just don’t think it’s worth it to the team to have an offensive player who can score say 20 goals, sacrifice half of his potential offensive output just so he can be adequate in his own end. The trick is doing both. Limit your mistakes and be just as successful offensively. Maybe it will take this season to learn that. I remember being nervous about debrusk but then the 2nd half of his ahl season it all clicked. It still hasn’t for senyshyn and we are approaching the end of season 1. So maybe it takes 2.

I think it’s (at this point) more fair to say he’s disappointed in his first year vs that it’s been a roaring success. I don’t know why it’s so bad to say that. I think zboril has been successful in his first year. I think senyshyn has disappointed. I’m pretty luke warm on jfks, lauzon has been as expected. Can’t we make these proclamations? Yeah I’m sure the coaching staff has made them do things they aren’t used to. But why do we single out senyshyn there? I assume they want all of the young guys to do things to make them better hockey players that they weren’t accustomed to doing. The difference is that some players are doing those new things while maintaining the identity they had when they were drafted, and others are struggling with juggling it.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I think offensive players are definitely better off if they can play in their own end as well. I just don’t think it’s worth it to the team to have an offensive player who can score say 20 goals, sacrifice half of his potential offensive output just so he can be adequate in his own end. The trick is doing both. Limit your mistakes and be just as successful offensively. Maybe it will take this season to learn that. I remember being nervous about debrusk but then the 2nd half of his ahl season it all clicked. It still hasn’t for senyshyn and we are approaching the end of season 1. So maybe it takes 2.

I think it’s (at this point) more fair to say he’s disappointed in his first year vs that it’s been a roaring success. I don’t know why it’s so bad to say that. I think zboril has been successful in his first year. I think senyshyn has disappointed. I’m pretty luke warm on jfks, lauzon has been as expected. Can’t we make these proclamations? Yeah I’m sure the coaching staff has made them do things they aren’t used to. But why do we single out senyshyn there? I assume they want all of the young guys to do things to make them better hockey players that they weren’t accustomed to doing. The difference is that some players are doing those new things while maintaining the identity they had when they were drafted, and others are struggling with juggling it.

Everyone develops at a different rate, so I hate putting labels or timetables on 20-21 year old kids. Would I feel better if Senyshyn poured 30 in down in PRO and was solid in his own end? Absolutely. I didn’t see much at all of ZS (as opposed to a guy like Heinen, who I saw play quite a bit at Denver), but from what I saw in SSM he wasn’t really asked to play a ton of D and was a scorer.

It stands to reason that a kid like that is going to have to learn how to play big boy D before he gets to the NHL. I have made this point before, but it’s not like Senyshyn is going to forget how to shoot or skate while he learns how to play in the Bottom 6. It may take longer for him to see the NHL, but the B’s aren’t in a rush, and in the end it should be worth it.

 

[GarbageGoal]

Celarik out, Zboril back in at Rochester tonight. Binnington in net.

 

[Blowfish]

Everyone develops at a different rate, so I hate putting labels or timetables on 20-21 year old kids. Would I feel better if Senyshyn poured 30 in down in PRO and was solid in his own end? Absolutely. I didn’t see much at all of ZS (as opposed to a guy like Heinen, who I saw play quite a bit at Denver), but from what I saw in SSM he wasn’t really asked to play a ton of D and was a scorer.

It stands to reason that a kid like that is going to have to learn how to play big boy D before he gets to the NHL. I have made this point before, but it’s not like Senyshyn is going to forget how to shoot or skate while he learns how to play in the Bottom 6. It may take longer for him to see the NHL, but the B’s aren’t in a rush, and in the end it should be worth it.

I want zach to succeed however Until such time I see Zachary play a game that blows me away I stand by my assessment. Fast straight line, wicked wrist shot, not creative or aggressive, just always appears to be perimeter playing. It's been 5 months since I watched him play live and looking forward to seeing his development tomorrow in TO. I could care less if he scores. it's the other things that concern this fan.

 

[bruinmann77]

Why are they not staring Zane ?

 

[GarbageGoal]

Why are they not staring Zane ?

He got held out Wednesday and they recalled Vladar as a precaution if Z got called up for whatever Rask was dealing with. So Binnington got his start tonight and Zane goes Saturday.

 

[Blowfish]

Packed Marlie house.

Bruins killing penalties most of first. Zach had a good chance going hard to net. And with less than a minute. Too many men. Good lord.

 

[Bruinfanatic]

Packed Marlie house.

Bruins killing penalties most of first. Zach had a good chance going hard to net. And with less than a minute. Too many men. Good lord.

So it’s the same thing as playing the Leafs than.

 

[Blowfish]

Cave from Blidth. Cave having good game

 

[Blowfish]

Cave from Blidth. Cave having good game

As I was typing that he scores again lol from Blidth and zach. So cave having really good game. First was nice snipe.

 

[Blowfish]

Porter isn't very good.

 

[Bruinator]

Wow power play for TO with a minute left. Who could possibly have seen that coming? lol

 

[bruins repeat time]

I didn't see a problem with refs today . We got over a 2 man advantage for like 1.14in the 1st period on a weak 2nd call. I thought when Toronto got their very short 2 man advantage it seemed weak as well. Toronto was far superior in the 1st , providence in 2nd 3rd was more balanced.

Mcintyre let in one horrid goal , 1 not so good but made some great saves . I thought Postma was pretty bad nhl this yr but he looked really good to me today although he got the late penalty.

 

[Blowfish]

I want zach to succeed however Until such time I see Zachary play a game that blows me away I stand by my assessment. Fast straight line, wicked wrist shot, not creative or aggressive, just always appears to be perimeter playing. It's been 5 months since I watched him play live and looking forward to seeing his development tomorrow in TO. I could care less if he scores. it's the other things that concern this fan.

Koppanen and Hughes will be a massive boost for this team...Donato would make pbruins immediate favourites. There are definitely space fillers in that line up for upcoming prospects.

Zachery had a couple nice moments. A very nice net drive in the first and some slick passes in the 3rd. I can only hope the bruins are coaching him to develop checking skills playing with the likes of Blidth/Cave. It's obvious Zach needs to work on this part of his game.

I guess until I see him playing on top lines I won't know where Zach sits. He certainly didn't stand out last night. And this is the common theme for this fan watching him play live several times now.

DKH was a big fan of Brazil...why the bruins passed on this kid and risked taking Zach is very questionable. The odd thing selecting Zach at the time, was Zach was playing on the 4th line at the time he was selected. Risks are good but when you have 3 picks you have to go with those projected by so many to succeed. Frig!

Was disappointed Cehlarik and JFK were missing. :

Agonstino-Czarnik-Donato
Cehlarik-JFK-Koppanen
Seny-Hughes-Szwarz
Blidth-Cave-Hickmen

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Wonder were the PBruins will slot Frederic in ?

 

[Blowfish]

Wonder were the PBruins will slot Frederic in ?

Based on pbruin theoreticians he will need to develop checking skills. With Hughes Frederick and other NCAA prospect to be named this could mean Zachery graduating to 1st or 2nd line.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

 

[Saxon Eric]

Forgot about this guy,thought he was meh at prospect camp but stats say he's did ok this year in the Q,the way Sweeney's been hitting them this kid will probably turn into the next Shawn Thornton...

 

[GarbageGoal]

Love this time of year, playoffs coming and seeing some new faces.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Wish I knew how to watch these games online. Last year I saw quite a few games with McAvoy and then watched their playoff run. This year I haven’t found anything and I’d like to see how Frederic looks.

 

[GarbageGoal]

Hughes and Kopp didn’t look out of place. Hughes had a chance at a fairly point blank shot and didn’t pull the trigger. Other than that he was fine. They shared a line with Porter mostly.

 

[Ratty]

Hughes and Kopp didn’t look out of place. Hughes had a chance at a fairly point blank shot and didn’t pull the trigger. Other than that he was fine. They shared a line with Porter mostly.

How did Czarnik look?

 

[GarbageGoal]

How did Czarnik look?

Well he had a hat trick (with one an empty netter) so you can figure that out....