Well you believe what you believe. it however doesn't make it accurate.
That value as equal is not even close. It isn't ....
Rumor: Gardiner and Kadri available from the Leafs...
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Well you believe what you believe. it however doesn't make it accurate.
That value as equal is not even close. It isn't ....
pucka lucka
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No, I wouldn't even think about it. A goalie can be acquired much cheaper than that. Bogo has come back from injury and helped solidify the D. Much rather have Bogo than Kadri, and get a goalie much cheaper ( 2nd plus prospect etc a la Bernier, Bishop, Brobovsky, Mason, etc).
Hmmmmm
Presuming no more than minor character concerns were there , that could be a base of a trade for me.
I have lingering doubts that Bogosian will be substantially better than what he currently is and stay in the lineup , so that comes to play with me. I hope those concerns for Bogosian aren't warranted , but ...
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I don't seriously believe the Leafs would offer kadri and gardiner for Buff.
If they did, I would take Kadri but flip him for something else..he looks like an absolute punk..
glad you guys like it. I ran a Kadri/Reimer for Bogosian/Montoya trade through capgeek and it worked. The Leafs would need a backup coming in return.
If this was done before the deadline, then maybe Reimer could push Pavelec to improve and have a slight trade value this summer (as opposed to a buyout)
What goalie do you have in mind, and for how much?
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If the Leafs wanted to move RFA Reimer in the offseason, that's what the return would likely be.
Not sure why others on here think this is a good deal. Bogo was arguably our best D man last year, signed long term, is an excellent teammate, and since coming back from injury has solidified the D. Every team in the league is looking for young D men like Bogo, you don't trade these guys. Now that he played earlier this season with an injury it's like some people are forgetting how good he has been for us in some sort of what have you done for me lately panic attack.
And some want to move him for a small C who while he has put up some decent points, has pretty well documented entitlement issues?
Doubtful that Chevy moves Bogo after signing him to a seven year deal with a NMC (regardless of when it actually kicks in) anyway.
I agree. I think the Jets should be very reluctant to trade Bogo at this point. The Jets D still needs to settle in with all of the injuries and changes and shifting pairings. Bogo plays with some fire and physicality that too many Jet players lack. If they could find a way to add a bona-fide LHD to play in the top 4, then I think that Bogo and Trouba anchor that D for a long time. Buff reaches UFA in a couple of years, and so trading Bogo and losing Buff (through trade or free agency) would set them back considerably.
Funny watching the refs heads go back and forth waiting for the next response. After Sid says "tell em that" ref look over at Phaneuf waiting his reply lol.
I have to say that I like this quite a lot from the Jets perspective. While it would hurt to loose Buff, the needs of this team continue to be at C and LHD (leaving the goalie issue out of it for now). Think how much the talent level down the middle of the ice will have changed from last year to next year to go from Little, Tragic Joker, Antro, and Slater to Little, Scheif, Kadri, Slater. In addition, for Chevy to add two wingers to round out a third line is much easier to do than trying to build two-thirds of a second line as he has be trying to piece together for the last two years.
While TNSE appears to place value on character (except, apparently, where Pavelec and drunk driving are concerned), I am not convinced that Kadri is as much of a bad apple as he is made out to be. He lives in what must be the worst hockey media market in the league (maybe next to Montreal) and was put into a terrible contract situation by the mismanagement of his GM. I don't know how he could have come off looking much better without making himself crazy over the absurdity of it all.
There is no doubt that there are few D in the league with Buff's skillset (for good and for bad), but the prospect of rolling out two solid D-pairs with a capable third pair is pretty exciting for me. Right now, we can put out one good pair and every other combination has one player that ranges from likely train wreck to possible pizza delivery man.
The Jets may need to swallow some of Buff's salary to make this work (maybe 10-15%), but they will be miles under the cap next year and for the foreseeable future. Perhaps they could get a late round pick as compensation for picking up the tab on Buff for the next few years.
I have to say that I don't see it from Toronto's perspective, unless they are certain that Kadri is not in their long terms plans. For a team with their resources, developing young talent like Gardiner is somewhat less of a priority than for a team like the Jets, since they can buy their way out of most mistakes.
While TNSE appears to place value on character (except, apparently, where Pavelec and drunk driving are concerned), I am not convinced that Kadri is as much of a bad apple as he is made out to be. He lives in what must be the worst hockey media market in the league (maybe next to Montreal) and was put into a terrible contract situation by the mismanagement of his GM. I don't know how he could have come off looking much better without making himself crazy over the absurdity of it all.
There is no doubt that there are few D in the league with Buff's skillset (for good and for bad), but the prospect of rolling out two solid D-pairs with a capable third pair is pretty exciting for me. Right now, we can put out one good pair and every other combination has one player that ranges from likely train wreck to possible pizza delivery man.
The Jets may need to swallow some of Buff's salary to make this work (maybe 10-15%), but they will be miles under the cap next year and for the foreseeable future. Perhaps they could get a late round pick as compensation for picking up the tab on Buff for the next few years.
I have to say that I don't see it from Toronto's perspective, unless they are certain that Kadri is not in their long terms plans. For a team with their resources, developing young talent like Gardiner is somewhat less of a priority than for a team like the Jets, since they can buy their way out of most mistakes.
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Kadri + Reimer + Gardiner for Bogosian + Klingberg.
Sure.
But we couldn't do Reimer for Montoya, Al is arguably better than Pavs (currently) and potentially Reimer.
And for those blue glasses Leafs fans here, yes, Kadri is being shopped. He's on the trading block.
Sure.
But we couldn't do Reimer for Montoya, Al is arguably better than Pavs (currently) and potentially Reimer.
And for those blue glasses Leafs fans here, yes, Kadri is being shopped. He's on the trading block.
ajmidd12
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No, but I wouldn't give Montoya up for Reimer, not with the way Pavelec is playing right now. Sometimes Montoya plays like he's a #1 goalie.
Sorry for the confusion.
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No, but I wouldn't give Montoya up for Reimer, not with the way Pavelec is playing right now. Sometimes Montoya plays like he's a #1 goalie.
Sorry for the confusion.
Reimer plays like a #1 more than Monty.
Monty is hot right now, but he is unlikely to amount to much and I am still not sure he is better than Pavelec.
I can tell you right now Reimer is far better than Montoya. But if you guys don't want to include him thats fine, the Leafs could always get someone like Peters for fairly cheap.
From the Leafs side I wouldn't include Gardiner. I think the original Kadri/Reimer for Bogosian is fair.
From the Leafs side I wouldn't include Gardiner. I think the original Kadri/Reimer for Bogosian is fair.
ajmidd12
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That seems to be the million dollar discussion, Pavs is good, when he's on. Unfortunately he appears to be a very streaky goaltender this year, not sure why. Monty IS hot right now, hopefully we can ride this as long as it takes to get Pavs confidence back.
Think of it this way, Bogo is a franchise player who is young, plays hard, and has the potential of a 1-2 D man. Kadri, well, he may develop but he has a huge ego and problem with not getting his way. At best Kadri will be a 2C, he went on a hot streak last year which was great for the Leafs, it appears he's showing his true colours this year though.
I wouldn't mind seeing Reimer on the Jets, he is good, but more importantly he has a hot wife
Seeing her in the crowd would definitely boost morale 
During the game today Carlyle was lighting into Kadri on the bench. The commentators said it was for a lazy shift. To me, it looked like Kadri was talking back to Carlyle and Clarkson beaked Kadri too, basically supporting Carlyle. Would love to know what everyone was saying to each other.
ajmidd12
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I noticed that as well. Chuckled a little when I made out "what the **** was that" from Carlyle.
Do. Not. Want. Kadri.
Did you see him miss the wide open net on Howard today as well? Granted he may have been "falling down" but it was clear he panicked.
The Leafs can keep him.
pucka lucka
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I'd take Kadri in a second. I remember this time when Mario missed a wide open.
Kadri might be better suited to playing away from home. I don't think its a great thing for young guys especially cocky ones like Kadri.
Only issue I have with Kadri is how many small players do you really want on this team. You have Little, Enstrom, Petan coming sooner or later and then this guy?
Also if your trading Bogo, I'm sure there would be lots of options for players available.
Also if your trading Bogo, I'm sure there would be lots of options for players available.
