GDT: Freight Train or Train Wreck: PHL @ CAR

Drivebytrucker

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I was looking back at our 2008-2009 roster (last playoff team) and watching some clips:

Even with some absolute dog ****ers like Corvo and Samsonov, there was enough grit (Scottie Walker, Erik Cole, Ruutu, Wallin, Gleason) and leadership (Whitney, Brindy, Cullen, Staal) to get to the Eastern Finals.

I know the NHL has changed, but man..... all those guys are CHARACTER guys.

Where's the character in this dressing room?

I see it completely lacking.....
 
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The Faulker 27

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I was looking back at our 2008-2009 roster (last playoff team) and watching some clips:

Even with some absolute dog f*ckers like Corvo and Samsonov, there was enough grit (Scottie Walker, Erik Cole, Ruutu, Wallin, Gleason) and leadership (Whitney, Brindy, Cullen, Staal) to get to the Eastern Finals.

I know the NHL has changed, but man..... all those guys are CHARACTER guys.

Where's the character in this dressing room?

I see it completely lacking.....

No clue. There's plenty of characters though.
 

tarheelhockey

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I wonder how much the league's parity has contributed to the lack of moves. Hard to move anyone of significance when you're a few game winning streak out of a playoff spot. Kudos to GMRF for making that "tough" call in '16.

It's parity, and also the cap system. GMs don't throw caution to the wind just because they think they've got a shot. Now, everyone's got their next RFA contract all planned out, everyone's worried about that third buyout, everyone's saddled with two buyouts that they'd kill to get rid of. TDL isn't the holiday it used to be.

It helps us as a small market team, but hurts us as a team that really needs a partner for wheeling and dealing.
 

A Star is Burns

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I was looking back at our 2008-2009 roster (last playoff team) and watching some clips:

Even with some absolute dog ****ers like Corvo and Samsonov, there was enough grit (Scottie Walker, Erik Cole, Ruutu, Wallin, Gleason) and leadership (Whitney, Brindy, Cullen, Staal) to get to the Eastern Finals.

I know the NHL has changed, but man..... all those guys are CHARACTER guys.

Where's the character in this dressing room?

I see it completely lacking.....

Weren't all those guys on the playoff missing teams that sandwiched that miracle run? So much character.
 

tarheelhockey

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Even with some absolute dog ****ers like Corvo and Samsonov, there was enough grit (Scottie Walker, Erik Cole, Ruutu, Wallin, Gleason) and leadership (Whitney, Brindy, Cullen, Staal) to get to the Eastern Finals.

I know the NHL has changed, but man..... all those guys are CHARACTER guys.

The league hasn't changed in a way that would eliminate any of those guys. Maybe Gleason and Brindy would be a little less effective in a more skating-intensive league, but they would still be good players. The rest of them would be the same guys they were before.

The Canes simply didn't keep their identity. To their credit, they tried to form something of a culture with retired guys staying with the organization. And when you get younger, you naturally lose a bit of that veteran grit. But they ended up drafting a team that all just seem to kind of look at each other waiting for someone to step up.
 

Joe McGrath

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The league hasn't changed in a way that would eliminate any of those guys. Maybe Gleason and Brindy would be a little less effective in a more skating-intensive league, but they would still be good players. The rest of them would be the same guys they were before.

The Canes simply didn't keep their identity. To their credit, they tried to form something of a culture with retired guys staying with the organization. And when you get younger, you naturally lose a bit of that veteran grit. But they ended up drafting a team that all just seem to kind of look at each other waiting for someone to step up.

They’re looking at Skinner and Faulk, while the two of them look at each other. Jordan is too busy wondering how he wound up here to begin with.
 
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The Stranger

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It's parity, and also the cap system. GMs don't throw caution to the wind just because they think they've got a shot. Now, everyone's got their next RFA contract all planned out, everyone's worried about that third buyout, everyone's saddled with two buyouts that they'd kill to get rid of. TDL isn't the holiday it used to be.

It helps us as a small market team, but hurts us as a team that really needs a partner for wheeling and dealing.

Another factor that limits the number of trades is the increased value of draft picks.

GMs are loath to trade away their high picks...and rightfully so.
 

Finlandia WOAT

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Parity: when 20 teams can look at their rosters and think reasonably: "If we get one or two lucky breaks and no catastrophies, we could easily make the playoffs- and then anything is possible!"

2018-19 Hurricanes: tt/aho don't regress, passable goaltending, necas replaces Ryan's atrocious defense and 35 points with passable defense and 52 points. playoffs.
 

What the Faulk

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To me, this game is a make or break one. Not in the sense that the season is on the line, but you're at home facing a division rival you're fighting neck and neck with for a playoff spot. If they come out flat, especially after everything said the last few days, I think we need to see some big changes. I just don't know what those are.

As constructed, this team still lacks center depth. Rask has been up and down, but ultimately hasn't really been capable of driving play or anchoring a line. I'd love to see him on the wing. Aho and Lindholm both have center potential, but it's hard to break up the TSA line since that's pretty much the only thing working right now. I'm interested to see how Lindholm looks with Skinner tonight, who's basically played with Carolina 3rd liners this year, who are probably more like 4th liners on your average team. Trading him would be a mistake and it would remind me too much of giving up on Eric Staal (something I and a lot of other people were comfortable with when it happened), who's been flourishing with Minnesota over the last year and a half. I think, aside from a few other wingers like Teravainen and Williams, many of the rest are the sorts of players they've had through here over the last decade, just with a different number on their backs. They're all the same -- average at a lot of things but not really great at anything. It's easy to defend when everyone you're facing is no different from each other.

Offensively, I might roll something like

Aho // Staal // Teravainen
Skinner // Lindholm // Williams
Rask // Ryan // Stempniak
McGinn // Kruger // Nordstrom

The top six almost looks like a playoff team, but the rest sucks. I think McGinn is what he is and is probably better suited for the 4th line, but then you've got a pretty soft top 9 for only a bit more skill. And putting Rask on the wing is gonna force somebody out of position. Flip as necessary. I don't know -- I just think, ultimately, they should load up and adjust ice-time accordingly.

Defensively, I don't know what happened to Slavin after the first 20 or so games. He was looking great, and he just took a nosedive hard with flashes of brilliance every now and then. He's pretty much tethered to Pesce at this point, who seems to be a bit of a stabilizing presence. Faulk has been shit all season with a rotating cast of partners, though TVR/Hanifin are good enough as a bottom unit. I don't see many options for variety here. McKeown isn't ready, and Fleury hasn't been that good. Honestly, it's almost worth exploring a potential package of Fleury + to see what that would bring in return. You've got 4-5 guys already in the NHL that could be here for several more years, plus McKeown in Charlotte and Jake Bean in the pipeline. Someone is expendable.

In goal, they're married to Darling so he needs to figure things out. Ward has at least played well at times, but he's going to be run into the ground, again, if they keep riding him too hard. I don't think there's anything you can do here.

Honestly, it's almost worth being buyers and sellers at the deadline. Plunge the bottom six of crap and let young, talented wingers from Charlotte get a look, and also get a f***ing center because they have like 1.5 right now.
 

NotOpie

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We need a truly violent, objectionable player to give this team a spark. Someone for whom we pay more on suspensions than on salary.

Kidnap their mothers. Holding moms hostage always gets the guys going.

NHL Trades since Christmas:

(02/05/18): Los Angeles trades Zac Leslie to Vegas for Future Considerations. THREAD

I get that people want to see changes, but no GMs are making any significant changes to their NHL personnel right now.

I've been wanting that guy Future Considerations for a long time. Too bad we couldn't have been in on that one....
 

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