Rumor: Free Agent Frenzy: Yamamoto & Puljujarvi elect Salary Arbitration

[McDoused]

So to the woke warriors on here, how come it's ok to say that women may have traits that could help them in any position over men, such as having a better temperament as suggested in this thread (my partner must be an exception to that rule). But it's literally Hitler speak to say maybe they have some inherent quality that would make them a detriment compared to a man? Is this equality, women do stuff better than men but insinuating they do anything worse is sexist? Not that Im saying they do anything worse, the hypocrisy just makes me chuckle.

Diversity quotas are garbage and the last thing this org should be focusing on. Get the best people regardless of gender/race etc. Granted, scouting is a tough one as it's pretty difficult to assess without giving them a job and seeing results, especially if they have little to no experience.

Maybe try listening?

 

[Oilhawks]

So the only tidbits today really is that they plan to hire 3 more pro scouts and Yamamoto might be getting a 2-3 year deal?

 

[North Cole]

So to the woke warriors on here, how come it's ok to say that women may have traits that could help them in any position over men, such as having a better temperament as suggested in this thread (my partner must be an exception to that rule). But it's literally Hitler speak to say maybe they have some inherent quality that would make them a detriment compared to a man? Is this equality, women do stuff better than men but insinuating they do anything worse is sexist? Not that Im saying they do anything worse, the hypocrisy just makes me chuckle.

Diversity quotas are garbage and the last thing this org should be focusing on. Get the best people regardless of gender/race etc. Granted, scouting is a tough one as it's pretty difficult to assess without giving them a job and seeing results, especially if they have little to no experience.

What makes them the best person, objectively, as a scout? As you say it's tough because it's so subjective. So the easiest path to take is to hire the person with the most hours/years doing scouting, which is invariably some old white dude that's been around the NHL forever. Then you have everyone complaining we are run by OBC dinosaurs.

Seems like the team can't win. Perpetuate the "tenured" OBC people or hire out of the box and get slayed for it being "diversity quota". The people you coin 'woke warriors' get upset, or the OBC apologists like yourself get upset.

 

[McDoused]

u guys and gals need to go out and enjoy your summer. It won't last. lol

The name of this board is not HF Politics.

Not sure why inclusion should be considered political?

Everyone should have the same rights and opportunity regardless of gender or race.

 

[Duke74]

I’ll flip it on you, how many less points would McDavid have without JP creating time and space and creating loose pucks for McDavid to pounce on? Lowetide said it best- McDavid with an extra 2 feet of space and 1 second of time is lethal- and JP is very good at creating that 2 feet of space and 1 second of time.

That's a great point; Puljujarvi seems to excel at creating chaos, which distracts the defence just enough to let McDavid roam freely. As long as he's used in this manner and not as a finisher, he's great as a third wheel on a line. Hence why I prefer him to Yamamoto if it comes down to a choice between the two.

Not sure why inclusion should be considered political?

Everyone should have the same rights and opportunity regardless of gender or race.

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Isn't that Yamamoto on the left?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

That's a great point; Puljujarvi seems to excel at creating chaos, which distracts the defence just enough to let McDavid roam freely. As long as he's used in this manner and not as a finisher, he's great as a third wheel on a line. Hence why I prefer him to Yamamoto if it comes down to a choice between the two.

There are so many examples of him creating space for McDavid just by blocking defenders and taking up space.

The guy is truly worth keeping.

 

[Fourier]

How so? They'd have over $9m to spend, including LTIR, if Foegele is moved with no salary coming back. Granted, $6M is close to the limit that they can't spend on those two but it's doable if Foegele is moved.

It would be over $7M for JP, Yamamoto and McLeod. That leaves them $2M on 20 players. If they go to 22 they would have reached they would have no room for anyone else. With their AHL team in Bak and with no accruement they can't play the whole season with 22. They would end up short handed for their game roster multiple times during the year just managing short term injuries.

I think Foegele and JP pretty much have to go unless JP and Yamamoto take deals at or below $2.5M on average or unless they move Barrie. .

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Not sure why inclusion should be considered political?

I don't think anyone here is saying we shouldn't have inclusion, just pick the right person for the job...regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation etc..

 

[Cloned]

What makes them the best person, objectively, as a scout? As you say it's tough because it's so subjective. So the easiest path to take is to hire the person with the most hours/years doing scouting, which is invariably some old white dude that's been around the NHL forever. Then you have everyone complaining we are run by OBC dinosaurs.

Seems like the team can't win. Perpetuate the "tenured" OBC people or hire out of the box and get slayed for it being "diversity quota". The people you coin 'woke warriors' get upset, or the OBC apologists like yourself get upset.

The practical solution is to hire less experienced people into junior scouting positions so that they can gain the necessary experience to become qualified senior scouts.

Most NHL teams tend to not do this though and would rather save the 80K or whatever. But they’re ok overpaying a player by “only” 500K per year for 5 years.

 

[Oilhawks]

The practical solution is to hire less experienced people into junior scouting positions so that they can gain the necessary experience to become qualified senior scouts.

Most NHL teams tend to not do this though and would rather save the 80K or whatever. But they’re ok overpaying a player by “only” 500K per year for 5 years.

Do it!

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Fixed

Getting a second for puljujarvi would be a bad trade if he’s signed at a decent cap hit.

20 games into the season posters wanted to give him a 8 year deal at like 5m.

Now they want to give him away

 

[Faelko]

So the only tidbits today really is that they plan to hire 3 more pro scouts and Yamamoto might be getting a 2-3 year deal?

How dare you bring this kind of discussion into this thread!!!

 

[TameYew]

Getting a second for puljujarvi would be a bad trade if he’s signed at a decent cap hit.

20 games into the season posters wanted to give him a 8 year deal at like 5m.

Now they want to give him away

What if McD and Drai refuse to play on the same line as JP?

 

[Forgot About Drai]

I don't think anyone here is saying we shouldn't have inclusion, just pick the right person for the job...regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation etc..

What makes them the best person, objectively, as a scout? As you say it's tough because it's so subjective. So the easiest path to take is to hire the person with the most hours/years doing scouting, which is invariably some old white dude that's been around the NHL forever. Then you have everyone complaining we are run by OBC dinosaurs.

Seems like the team can't win. Perpetuate the "tenured" OBC people or hire out of the box and get slayed for it being "diversity quota". The people you coin 'woke warriors' get upset, or the OBC apologists like yourself get upset.

Here is the answer why its not just that simple to just hire the "best person". Not everybody has the same advantages to start and build up that skill set. ^

If there was a 100m race and one person starts at the 50m line while the other one starts all the way at the back and you asked me who was going to win that race, I would prob say the person with the headstart. The person at the back may be the fastest but the person with the head start will probably win.

Thats kind of the same case here. Lot of these scouts played high-end mens hockey, have connections and have worked in the industry for years when women have never got those opportunities for decades. They've consistently gotten this headstart when it comes to hockey. When comparing resumes/experiance/etc its always going to be the man. Thats why if you want to boost inclusion sometimes you have to look for the person who has potential a chance and enable people who may not normally get that opportunity, in this case women in hockey.

 

[MoneyGuy]

If Tkachuk goes to St. Lou expect Oil Kings’ Jake Neighbours to be part of the package heading to Calgary. He probably grew up a Flames fan as I think he’s from Airdrie.

 

[BouchBaby]

What if McD and Drai refuse to play on the same line as JP?

If they don't want him around I would get rid of him. Pandering to McD and Drai would be my top priority for obvious reasons.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

If Tkachuk goes to St. Lou expect Oil Kings’ Jake Neighbours to be part of the package heading to Calgary. He probably grew up a Flames fan as I think he’s from Airdrie.

Would be a smart move - take some berta kids. Kind weird though - Calgary is a much nicer place to live then St Louis.

 

[McAsuno]

this thread literally be like lmao

 

[TheNumber4]

Nino @ 4M would have been nice.

Have time for Kap @ 3.2M as well.

Yamo and Pulju better have a great year and great playoffs. Oilers had plenty of options (not just the ones above) at RW if they weren’t tied to trusting their home grown RFAs (who seemingly won’t even come cheap)

 

[gordonhught]

So because a women is ill-suited for coal mines and rough necking, then she is also not capable of being an NHL scout??? Makes no sense bud.

Why is a woman ill suited for coal mines or roughnecking? What is that supposed to mean?

 

[bucks_oil]

It would be over $7M for JP, Yamamoto and McLeod. That leaves them $2M on 20 players. If they go to 22 they would have reached they would have no room for anyone else. With their AHL team in Bak and with no accruement they can't play the whole season with 22. They would end up short handed for their game roster multiple times during the year just managing short term injuries.

I think Foegele and JP pretty much have to go unless JP and Yamamoto take deals at or below $2.5M on average or unless they move Barrie. .

But this team has shown it plays exceptionally well with 11 forwards. There is no need to have 7 defensemen, since 6 d-men get no more or less tired if they play with 11 forwards or 12. (I'm saying we are set up to be a bit flexible with our roster)

And why move BOTH Foegele and JP? If your math is right we only need to move Foegele, no? 20 signed, $2M available, lose Foegele, you now have 19 with $4.75M available... that's PLENTY enough even to fill out a 24 man roster.

Kane McD Yama
Hyman Drai Rookie
Rookie RNH Pulju
Janmark Ryan Shore

$1M vet, $1M vet

Nurse Ceci
Kulak Bouchard
Broberg Barrie

$1M vet, $1M vet

Soup
Stew

That all fits right?

 

[TameYew]

Why is a woman ill suited for coal mines or roughnecking? What is that supposed to mean?

Ask yourself. You brought it up. Do you even read your own posts?

 

[gordonhught]

I never said there is no men issues. High suicide rates, shittier jobs, parental rights, etc etc but the argument we cant fix one issue due to other issues going on in the world never made sense to me.

Right. Let us start with the glamorous jobs first. Give women equal opportunity there first.

Women equal in the hard (but well paying) jobs? Well, I guess we will talk about that later. LOL.

 

[bucks_oil]

Do it!

Is this the Canadian goalie who was critiquing Smith so accurately during the playoffs? (sorry... I'm in Boston and don't get Canadian broadcasts anymore, so her name isn't a "household name" to me)

If yes... 100% agree, she is sharp and would be an exceptional goalie scout (pro or amateur).

 

[gordonhught]

Ask yourself. You brought it up. Do you even read your own posts?

No. You misread the post. I simply said that roughnecking 95% male and coal miners 98% men never seem to be mentioned when people want equal opportunities for women. Hockey executives, doctors, CEOs, lawyers? Yup. Need equality there for sure. The dirty hard jobs? Well, we will talk about equality there later.