Speculation: Free Agency thread (Part III)

[417]

If Duchene gets 10mil and Domi gets 70-80pts he will ask for 10mil too.

But in the end Domi will probably ask for 10mil regardless if he has a big year like Duchene did. So you will need to retain him plus find the player you are still missing because you didn't get Duchene. Who will end up costing 10mil probably.

If that should happen...then Habs will be forced to probably trade Domi, or Danault or Tatar or Petry, etc.

And get a pretty good return.

In a cap world, there's no such thing as attachment to players, sometimes you're forced to move players you'd rather not move but if you play your cards right, you can maximise the return and create value elsewhere.

It's a puzzle, the best GM's make it work. Any player you acquire has a domino effect on the rest of your roster.

This is of course all under the premise that Duchene signs for 9-10M

 

[MrNasty]

It’s amazing what a year makes. Who would have thought 12 months ago that we would be upset that this team was trying to sign the top centre available. A first line centre on most teams.
And also concerned that the rest of our centres will be just as good and they will want similar money.
This is a pretty darn good thing to be concerned about.

 

[habsfan891]

I better see a tweet of Duchene with a Hab pyjama on July 1st.

@Runner77 can you oblige

 

[Runner77]

@Runner77 can you oblige

 

[Guns n Roses]

If we sign Duchene, I would try something like this:

Domi Duchene Gallagher

Tatar Danault Shaw

Drouin KK Lehkonen

Byron Thompson Armia

If we get Duchene, Danault has to go.

Duchene
Kotka
Poehling
Thompson

Absolutely no room for Danault anymore. Trade Drouin as well.

 

[Kriss E]

As much as I like Marner I don't think he's lights out better than Duchene.

Possible. If Marner ain't this 90+ player...then ya. I think Duchene is more of a 55pts guy as he has been through most of his career. He only hit 70pts twice...He's not someone who can drive your offense.

That said, the Leafs don't need more forwards, even if they lose Marner. They still have Kadri, Tavares, Matthews, Kapanen, Nylander...So if they're thinking of passing on Marner, they should trade him for a legit top Dman to a team willing to sign him.

Signing Duchene and getting 4 first picks isn't actually improving their roster, it's worsening it.

 

[Price4Prez]

If we get Duchene, Danault has to go.

Duchene
Kotka
Poehling
Thompson

Absolutely no room for Danault anymore. Trade Drouin as well.

Yikes. If you get Duchene, Danault should be what he should have been from day 1, number 2 C.

Kotka may not be ready to be a #2C for 82 games. Poehling played 1 game, and while i love him, you cant go into the season with him as your full time number 3. No guarantees he succeeds. Poehling should play wing this year if he makes it.

 

[blarneylad]

If you get Duchene, the center ice is clogged by the following:

Duchene, Domi, Kotkaniemi, Danault, Poehling and Suzuki.

With decent wingers right now, I think Danault becomes the most likely to be traded for a defensemen.

 

[Kriss E]

I really am not interested in Duchene...not sure why people like him so much.
Clear public issues in Colorado. Uber incident in Ottawa. Inconsistent player. Frustrating a la Drouin when he isn't on his game.
Pass.

Now..as I said before, if we sign him to then package Drouin for a Dman, I'm good with that.

 

[Milhouse40]

If you get Duchene, the center ice is clogged by the following:

Duchene, Domi, Kotkaniemi, Danault, Poehling and Suzuki.

With decent wingers right now, I think Danault becomes the most likely to be traded for a defensemen.

I don't think so.
I think it pushes Domi on the wing, which is inevitable down the line anyway.
Then i think the odd man out to begin is either Drouin or Tatar.

In the end Danault's job will be on the line when Poehling will be fully ready which should not be really long now.

 

[blarneylad]

I don't think so.
I think it pushes Domi on the wing, which is inevitable down the line anyway.
Then i think the odd man out to begin is either Drouin or Tatar.

In the end Danault's job will be on the line when Poehling will be fully ready which should not be really long now.

You are probably right, but I have such a hard time especially if I was the coach with moving a guy who in his first year as a hab, first year as a center, doing it on the first line scores 70 points. Nobody should be so quick to want to bump him to wing.

 

[Milhouse40]

You are probably right, but I have such a hard time especially if I was the coach with moving a guy who in his first year as a hab, first year as a center, doing it on the first line scores 70 points. Nobody should be so quick to want to bump him to wing.

Well……..that's IF Duchene sign here, which i don't believe.
But in the end, Domi, KK, Danault, Poehling and Suzuki can't all be center at the same time, so something has to give.

 

[Ozmodiar]

This would be my dream. But then Domi is going to ask for the same contract as Duchene and I don't know if you can make it work having 3 guys making above 10mil, that's almost half the cap on like 3 players plus Weber.

But imagine a forward core of Duchene, Domi, Gallagher, KK, Suzuki, Caulfield and guys like Danault, Poehling...

I don't think MB will address the holes on defense this summer. It's not going to be a long term or major acquisition. So give me Duchesne !

If Domi watches Duchene put up 75 points as first line center for the Preds while making 10m, and does the same for the Habs, then he’ll want the same money.

OTOH, if he’s on wing, and rotating with Tatar and Drouin, then he’s more likely to sign in the 6 - 7 range.

There’s also the RFA factor.

In other words, I just don’t see them both getting 10m on this team.

 

[Archijerej]

If you get Duchene, the center ice is clogged by the following:

Duchene, Domi, Kotkaniemi, Danault, Poehling and Suzuki.

With decent wingers right now, I think Danault becomes the most likely to be traded for a defensemen.

Domi and Suzuki aren't clogging anything. One's not a proper center and the other's not even an NHL player.

 

[Archijerej]

I don't think so.
I think it pushes Domi on the wing, which is inevitable down the line anyway.
Then i think the odd man out to begin is either Drouin or Tatar.

In the end Danault's job will be on the line when Poehling will be fully ready which should not be really long now.

Exactly this.

 

[habsfan891]

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[blarneylad]

Domi and Suzuki aren't clogging anything. One's not a proper center and the other's not even an NHL player.

72 points at center is quite proper

 

[417]

I really am not interested in Duchene...not sure why people like him so much.
Clear public issues in Colorado. Uber incident in Ottawa. Inconsistent player. Frustrating a la Drouin when he isn't on his game.
Pass.

Now..as I said before, if we sign him to then package Drouin for a Dman, I'm good with that.

That's the thing...signing Duchene will have a domino effect somewhere else on the roster.

That's fine if that's what they want to do and he wants to sign - but these moves have to be strategic in nature, not just reactionnary.

In the event Duchene signs - contingency plans should already be in place.

 

[Lshap]

Domi, Drouin, Danault, now we're talking about Duchene.

Why do people keep talking about needing more D-men?