Speculation: Free Agency thread (Part III)

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[Zorba]

Responding to a poster. If Shaw is a top line winger, then the habs are f***ed Yup he had a career year and played well but expecting him and his injury history to repeat that would be arrogant of Bergevin

 

[Le Barron de HF]

It's the going rate for a top-4 defenceman of his ability. Check out CDH's contract and many more comparables. 4mil just isn't what it used to be

Yep, the cap is not 56.8M anymore like it was in 2010. 4M today is pretty much 2.75M. That's not much more than what we gave Gill back in the day.

 

[Habaneros]

Hey Whitesnake,

Let's say Wayne scored us 8-10 PP goals last yr..
Would we have missed the playoffs?

Just how bad was our PP anyway ? remember?

The guy has put up double digit PP goals 5 out of his last 6 seasons....We're talking total of 16 15 14 13 11 etc a yr ..nothing to sneeze at...

 

[L4br3cqu3]

Responding to a poster. If Shaw is a top line winger, then the habs are ****ed Yup he had a career year and played well but expecting him and his injury history to repeat that would be arrogant of Bergevin

Guy has the highest value he ever had.

I'd trade him before it all goes down.

 

[Runner77]

Obligatory W3K advisory.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

Hey Whitesnake,

Let's say Wayne scored us 8-10 PP goals last yr..
Would we have missed the playoffs?

Just how bad was our PP anyway ? remember?

The guy has put up double digit PP goals 5 out of his last 6 seasons....We're talking total of 16 15 13 11 etc a yr ..nothing to sneeze at...

He scored 5 goals last year averaging 3 minutes of PP a game. None of our forwards averaged that much last year. I don't want Simmonds unless it's like 2M for 1 year.

 

[Zorba]

Guy has the highest value he ever had.

I'd trade him before it all goes down.

But apparently it’s hard to make cap space. Too many excuses. Oh and apparently he’s a first line winger now too.

 

[Habaneros]

He scored 5 goals last year averaging 3 minutes of PP a game. None of our forwards averaged that much last year. I don't want Simmonds unless it's like 2M for 1 year.

anyone can have a off season ......Andrew Shaw see him last yr? remembe Alex Kovelev ? off season then bounced back...Jagr ...Pleky ...

You can go across the NHL and find ton of guy who have a down yr then bounce back .....Simmonds will do just that

I dont care he only got 5 PP goals last yr

The 5 seasons before that he got 16 15 14 13 11 ..total that up ..

 

[Captain Mountain]

Hey Whitesnake,

Let's say Wayne scored us 8-10 PP goals last yr..
Would we have missed the playoffs?

Just how bad was our PP anyway ? remember?

The guy has put up double digit PP goals 5 out of his last 6 seasons....We're talking total of 16 15 13 11 etc a yr ..nothing to sneeze at...

Assuming he actually could do that (and that's a hell of a leap), Montreal probably gives up more goals the other way at ES by playing Shaw less, Armia less, Lehkonen less, Byron less and Simmonds more.

And that's a hell of a leap because the whole reason Nashville traded for Simmonds is that their PP was even worse than Montreal's. And guess what? Their PP still sucked with him.

 

[Habaneros]

Assuming he actually could do that (and that's a hell of a leap), Montreal probably gives up more goals the other way at ES by playing Shaw less, Armia less, Lehkonen less, Byron less and Simmonds more.

And that's a hell of a leap because the whole reason Nashville traded for Simmonds is that their PP was even worse than Montreal's. And guess what? Their PP still sucked with him.

Look it happens....not every guy traded to a team fits right in to the(new) system after just 17 games...like come on


If Wayne comes to CAMP new coach ..play 82 games ..i BET MONEY he'll be back(good season) ..1 yr down yr ..all it was...

 

[Captain Mountain]

Look it happens....not every guy trade to a team fit right in tot he system after 17 games...like come on

You want to gamble that big money and meaningful term on a guy with a clear, trackable, significant decline in virtually all gameplay impacts over the last two seasons (at an age when that starts to happen) just wasn't a fit in Nashville? Really?

 

[Habaneros]

You want to gamble that big money and meaningful term on a guy with a clear, trackable, significant decline in virtually all gameplay impacts over the last two seasons (at an age when that starts to happen) just wasn't a fit in Nashville? Really?

I don't consider 4 million for 2-3 yrs big money ..do you?
That's Paul Byron money.,...

Again, Tatar sucked in Vegas..he was brought in to help them....what happened? So much so THEY PAID us to take him.,.He didn't fit, that didn't mean he was done...

How come he looks so good in Montreal ?

Wayne , no different ..

 

[Playmaker09]

Hey Whitesnake,

Let's say Wayne scored us 8-10 PP goals last yr..
Would we have missed the playoffs?

Just how bad was our PP anyway ? remember?

The guy has put up double digit PP goals 5 out of his last 6 seasons....We're talking total of 16 15 14 13 11 etc a yr ..nothing to sneeze at...

Simmonds has been a minus player 9 years in a row and it’s only gotten worse. It’s not a coincidence.

He might be the biggest liability in the league. (In a tight race with Galchenyuk)

There is no doubt in my mind that whatever he adds to a PP is far outweighed by how atrocious he is as a player at even strength. He’s done.

It’s like wanting Alzner back in the lineup to improve our PK.

 

[Habaneros]

Simmonds has been a minus player 9 years in a row and it’s only gotten worse. It’s not a coincidence.

He might be the biggest liability in the league. (In a tight race with Galchenyuk)

There is no doubt in my mind that whatever he adds to a PP is far outweighed by how atrocious he is as a player at even strength. He’s done.

It’s like wanting Alzner back in the lineup to improve our PK.

Flyers goaltenders....know anything about them over last 10 yrs...lol

We have had guys who was minus players on other teams..come to Montreal and become + players..why?

 

[Captain Mountain]

I don't consider 4 million for 2-3 yrs big money ..do you?
That's Paul Byron money.,...

Again, Tatar sucked in Vegas..he was brought in to help them....what happened? So much so THEY PAID us to take him.,.He didn't fit, that didn't mean he was done...

How come he looks so good in Montreal ?

Wayne , no different ..

Well, you started talking about 6 million. Also, Paul Byron overall brings a lot more value.

Tatar is younger than Simmonds with less wear and tear. Also, Tatar was bad in Vegas for a brief period of time. Simmonds has been terrible for both Nashville and Philadelphia for two seasons.

Completely different (closer to Alzner)

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

If we sign simmonds or gardiner, i hope its not for more than 4 years and they dont have an nmc

 

[Habaneros]

Well, you started talking about 6 million. Also, Paul Byron overall brings a lot more value.

Tatar is younger than Simmonds with less wear and tear. Also, Tatar was bad in Vegas for a brief period of time. Simmonds has been terrible for both Nashville and Philadelphia for two seasons.

Completely different (closer to Alzner)

Nope. wasn't me talking 6 million..no sir...wrong guy
If Wayne had 50 pts /25 goals etc last yr etc..you be looking 6 -6.5million x 5-6 yrs
That 30 pt down yr, is goona hurt him ...

I said 4 million x 2-3 yrs... ...that's a cheap deal and a discount .

 

[Simarino]

I don't consider 4 million for 2-3 yrs big money ..do you?
That's Paul Byron money.,...

Again, Tatar sucked in Vegas..he was brought in to help them....what happened? So much so THEY PAID us to take him.,.He didn't fit, that didn't mean he was done...

How come he looks so good in Montreal ?

Wayne , no different ..

Physical wingers,not very fast skaters who hit the wall in their early 30s after signing big contract: David Clarkson,Milan Lucic,Andrew Ladd, Troy Brouwer,James Neal,Corey Perry etc etc.. Lets not gamble that Simmonds will get back to his old ways, when these guys hit the wall, its over!!

 

[frapp10]

3x2 for Simmonds or perry and I’d be happy

 

[Captain Mountain]

Nope. wasn't me talking 6 million..no sir...wrong guy
If Wayne had 50 pts /25 goals etc last yr etc..you be looking 6 -6.5million x 5-6 yrs
That 30 pt down yr, is goona hurt him ...

I said 4 million x 2-3 yrs... ...that's a cheap deal and a discount .

Not for what he brings to the table. He costs you games to keep in the line-up.

And he isn't that player any more. He hasn't been for a while. You'd have to give him both the TOI that Gallagher gets and the cushy minutes that Montreal needs to develop their young guys to get anywhere close to that from him.

 

[Kotkaniemi15]

I don’t want any free agents at all. Panarin would’ve been the only one but he won’t come here. Duchene will be massively overpaid. Please stay away Bergevin.

 

[Habaneros]

Physical wingers,not very fast skaters who hit the wall in their early 30s after signing big contract: David Clarkson,Milan Lucic,Andrew Ladd, Troy Brouwer,James Neal,Corey Perry etc etc.. Lets not gamble that Simmonds will get back to his old ways, when these guys hit the wall, its over!!

Wayne lives in the blue paint area....he ain't out there trying to be Conor McDavid blowing past guys.

He got his home(front of the net)....and he isn't slow, like so many here claim ..that's crazy talk

 

[Habaneros]

How slow is Wayne Simmonds????????\ Please stop that talk now ..lol

 

[Gravity]

Why is so quiet on the Habs front? No rumors of trades and nothing about major signings. Seems odd.