Post-Game Talk: Free Agency 2023 "OH NO FOMO season"

[Flgatorguy87]

Is there a scenario where we are getting Pesce for a price that's fair enough that we trade him for a better return at the deadline? That might be too unrealistic, but if there's only so many teams he agrees to go to that can take on his cap maybe it's possible?

 

[Enoch]

Cap is going to go up. Contracts are going to go up again in the next 3-4 years is my guess if not sooner

 

[Armourboy]

Cap is going to go up. Contracts are going to go up again in the next 3-4 years is my guess if not sooner

Well that's the estimate but they haven't exactly been stellar at estimating revenue lately.

 

[ShagDaddy]

 

[Soundgarden]

Good price for Detroit, but I wouldn't want to deal a first anytime soon if it were us.

 

[LCPreds]

Great deal for Detroit. At least as of today.

 

[herzausstein]

Good signing with term and aav.

Didnt give up too much a 20g/20a player with 1 year on contract + a late first, a throw in pick and prospect. Not bad at all

 

[Predsanddead24]

Yeah I would’ve done that for sure. Contract is great too.

 

[Armourboy]

Yeah that's a pretty good contract for Detroit. Basically get the best years of him and then can decide if you want to sign him again or not.

 

[PredsV82]

Not sure if we were ever talking to Ottawa but if we were we dodged a bullet

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

The DeBrincat trade is alright. I don't think we could have been players. We don't have a spare everyday winger like Kubalik. Obviously we could not trade our own 1st in case stuff goes "off the rails". So sure, let Detroit have him.

 

[Armourboy]

Not sure if we were ever talking to Ottawa but if we were we dodged a bullet

The contract is good, dunno about the pieces as to me it really hinges on how Kubalik is. The prospect was in the ECHL so that's meaningless basically.

That said they gave up more than I ever would have.

 

[Kat Predator]

It's curious that Detroit gave up a protected 1st though. At the draft, Yzerman was asked about the timeline of his rebuild. His response was to suggest more patience was needed, and he didn't expect to really get it turned around for a while yet.

Then he goes and trades a 1st round pick, He gets a good player, but how does this move map into the slow rebuild?

 

[Olderfan]

The contract is good, dunno about the pieces as to me it really hinges on how Kubalik is. The prospect was in the ECHL so that's meaningless basically.

That said they gave up more than I ever would have.

An every day player, a prospect, a 2024 first round pick and a 2024 4th round pick? Maybe ok for Detroit but way too much for the Preds. Best “No Deal” for Preds I’ve seen. I mean that’s like 4 players! Nope, good job Trotz.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

I'm not big into figuring out trade value and what players are "worth" but for me the cost here doesn't make sense for the Preds. Not sure which roster player there is for the Preds to give up that isn't a young prospect that we are still guessing at what they'll become. The throw in ECHL prospect is easy to cover but the 1st and 4th next draft would sting a good bit, especially since that I more of a "win now" type mode and that's not where this team is.

 

[weeze]

If I am looking and adding correctly the Duchene buyout is $19Million and not $16Million that some are saying. If so then that is/was an absurd buyout to save $5M and get rid of the 2nd or 3rd best points player on the team. Sorry to beat a dead horse.

 

[Armourboy]

If I am looking and adding correctly the Duchene buyout is $19Million and not $16Million that some are saying. If so then that is/was an absurd buyout to save $5M and get rid of the 2nd or 3rd best points player on the team. Sorry to beat a dead horse.

It wasn't about saving money. Duchene would have been gone no matter what the numbers said.

 

[wmupreds]

I'm still not really sure the buyout was the right move. Sign ROR for leadership, nix the Nyquist signing, allow Duchene to do his thing without pressure to be a leader for the kids. That makes more sense to me. But who knows what was going on behind the scenes that we aren't privy to.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

If I am looking and adding correctly the Duchene buyout is $19Million and not $16Million that some are saying. If so then that is/was an absurd buyout to save $5M and get rid of the 2nd or 3rd best points player on the team. Sorry to beat a dead horse.

I'm still not really sure the buyout was the right move. Sign ROR for leadership, nix the Nyquist signing, allow Duchene to do his thing without pressure to be a leader for the kids. That makes more sense to me. But who knows what was going on behind the scenes that we aren't privy to.

It is possible that he's a horrible role model without being "a bad guy". People should probably stop looking for other reasons or justifications for the move. Trotz clearly didn't want the guy around, talent or no talent, points or no points, he's said as much.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

If I am looking and adding correctly the Duchene buyout is $19Million and not $16Million that some are saying. If so then that is/was an absurd buyout to save $5M and get rid of the 2nd or 3rd best points player on the team. Sorry to beat a dead horse.

The actual payout is less than the Cap hit. Duchene was still owed $20M. But $6M of that was in signing bonuses. So he gets the $6M regardless. Then he gets paid 2/3rds of the remaining $14M, or $9.338M spread over 6 years (i.e. $1.5556M per year).

So the cost of the buyout was $6M+9.338M = $15.338M.

 

[Predsanddead24]

I'm not big into figuring out trade value and what players are "worth" but for me the cost here doesn't make sense for the Preds. Not sure which roster player there is for the Preds to give up that isn't a young prospect that we are still guessing at what they'll become. The throw in ECHL prospect is easy to cover but the 1st and 4th next draft would sting a good bit, especially since that I more of a "win now" type mode and that's not where this team is.

We don't have a player like Kubalik on our roster now so that very well may have made no deal possible. Value wise I'd say he's on the order of Carrier maybe? The 1st is the worse of Detroit or Boston's next year plus some other considerations so from our perspective it would be like trading Tampa's pick. So for us to have pulled it off it would have been something like Tampa's 1st, Carrier, a 4th, and Prokop. Personally I would do something like that but I can see where others wouldn't want to. Plus, the particulars of the deal (Kubalik vs. Carrier; 1st in 2024 vs 1st in 2025) means that we might have gotten beaten out anyways.

 

[glenngineer]

Best way to explain the Duchene buy out.

Some people are great at their jobs. Some people move into a management role and are great at it, others not so much. I view Duchene as a person who’s able to do their job and not lead people whereas ROR is able to do the job and also lead his team.

Fair assessment?

 

[BigFatCat999]

Duchene's NTC kicked in on July 1st, that was the motive.

 

[BigFatCat999]

NoMo Zadina

 

[wmupreds]

Duchene's NTC kicked in on July 1st, that was the motive.

I don't see how that really matters. If you're going to just buy him out anyway the NTC doesn't prevent that further down the line.