Confirmed with Link: Francis out as GM - Don Waddell named GM 5/8/18

[DaveG]

On a second review, I should probably give him more credit. I like the Toffoli, Pearson, Schenn, Simmonds, Voynov and Martinez picks (Doughty was pretty much a gimme). Kempe, McKeown and Zykov and few others still remain to be soon

He did above average for their situation (lots of late picks and traded 1sts towards the end of his tenure as scouting director).

Yeah the biggest critique that one might have of him is that he really didn't find many star level talents outside the 1st, the one where it's arguably and just unfortunate how it panned out is Voynov who was a Slavin level talent IMHO, but an NHL team composed entirely of his picks (outside of net, again, sigh) would still be pretty damn good, even if Doughty was a layup. The Hickey pick still looks bad though, especially with Alzner (who in his own right was something of a disappointment but still a good top 4 dman) being the next pick, and Voracek 3 picks later.

 

[AD Skinner]

It's not quite the same though. Anonymous poster on hfboards vs sister of Professional athlete on Twitter. I doubt anyone that matters is reading any of our bull****.

For all any of us know there could be family members/friends/players themselves on these boards. I doubt it but it is possible. The anonymity of it helps make any of our mouthing off a lot more acceptable than signing our real name with clear ties to the people who are actually involved. If my boss hears some rando say they suck it doesn't impact them or me. If my boss hears "AD Skinner's sister" says they suck, that's different.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I'm a family member.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Yeah, I agree. My point was more to the statement that Futa didn't have a good draft record as a scout (which I'm not sure I agree with). It won't be his job to scout if he's the GM and won't be nearly as involved in the process. Like I said, TB does it that way as does Toronto so don't see a problem with it.

I agree with you. I wasn't referring to you as one of the people making mountains out of mole hills.

 

[The Faulker 27]

I'm Chad LaRose's Aunts second cousin and I'm f***ing offended by all the provocative language around here.

 

[Finnish Jerk Train]

I'm also a family member.

I'm not related to any of the players or anything like that, but I am a member of a family.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I get that it 'isn't done.' It's just funny that the people who really should be heavily invested in the sport... players, coaches, and their families are supposed to shut up. While us randos wiling away the hours on here trashing anyone we please don't get saddled with the bat **** crazy label.

Just one of those fun little quirks in life. That she's doing exactly what we do, and we're ripping into her for it.

Well, yeah they’re supposed to shut up. Mouthing off about a family member’s employer has literally no upside and a huge potential downside.

I work at NC State. If I had a bad day at work and felt salty about it, I could sit here anonymously trash NC State and it wouldn’t mean anything to anyone. I’m just tarheelhockey on HFBoards, nobody cares. Certainly none of my colleagues would know or care.

The moment one of my family members openly trashes NC State and @‘s my colleagues on social media because of how they interact with me as an employee, I’m on the phone ripping them a new orifice. That’s the kind of crazy-assed behavior you expect from someone who gets in fights at Wal Mart.

 

[NotOpie]

Just pregaming for my business trip to Vegas on Monday.

There is no such thing as a business trip to Vegas....

If the articles we've read are accurate, not under Dundon it isn't. He said he wants the GM to focus on relationships with other teams, signings, trades and not on the drafting...leave Europe and the draft to the scouts. Clearly the GM will have a say, but in the model I'm seeing in those articles, it's not his main role.

This scares me more than a little. If the GM's role in this new structure is not very involved with the drafting of talent, then I can see a situation where he doesn't see picks as anything but currency for doing his job which is bringing in players to the team from other organizations. Taken to the extreme, that would bring us back to the JR days of trading too many of them away for quick fixes.

I believe the process is somewhere in between. The GM will be involved but a ratings and review system should be in place. If a scout says, you gotta come and see this guy, then sure, the GM likely hops on a flight, but that's a very special situation. In the end, they're still a "people" manager, as in they manage those assets. So there's both an "art and science" to it (which I believe Dundon referenced).

The key issue w/draft picks, IMO, is that the new GM isn't going to be making a lot of "gut" picks. They will all be reviewed, discussed, backed up w/data, and there will be a rubric that represents a consistent process.

I'm sure they'll have structure in place. Other teams make it work. And it's not like the GM is going to be totally divorced from the process. Just not directly involved in scouting and what not. He'll still have a say.

Something like this right here...

 

[StormCast]

I'm Chad LaRose's Aunts second cousin and I'm ****ing offended by all the provocative language around here.

Sounds like a whole lotta Rosey.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Futa could be interesting

 

[DaveG]

For all any of us know there could be family members/friends/players themselves on these boards. I doubt it but it is possible. The anonymity of it helps make any of our mouthing off a lot more acceptable than signing our real name with clear ties to the people who are actually involved. If my boss hears some rando say they suck it doesn't impact them or me. If my boss hears "AD Skinner's sister" says they suck, that's different.

Can confirm that there are players that read HF. And many league wide personalities (scouts, execs, etc).

Well, yeah they’re supposed to shut up. Mouthing off about a family member’s employer has literally no upside and a huge potential downside.

I work at NC State. If I had a bad day at work and felt salty about it, I could sit here anonymously trash NC State and it wouldn’t mean anything to anyone. I’m just tarheelhockey on HFBoards, nobody cares. Certainly none of my colleagues would know or care.

The moment one of my family members openly trashes NC State and @‘s my colleagues on social media because of how they interact with me as an employee, I’m on the phone ripping them a new orifice. That’s the kind of crazy-assed behavior you expect from someone who gets in fights at Wal Mart.

Exactly. I mean it's not just letting it be known who you are visibly, it's flat out doing so on behalf of another person publicly. It literally destroys any form of trust that can be built between the two parties (player and team in this case). It does nothing but make people question her motives for this not just as her having a public spat with the org but also potentially making it look like YOU are the one feeding them this stuff to get out there publicly because there's always that "hey, it's not me man" bit of deniability you can attempt to play.

 

[Hulkacaniac]

Didn't a relative of nhl star austin levi post here?

 

[tarheelhockey]

Didn't a relative of nhl star austin levi post here?

Yeah, his dad came in here salty about how he wasn't getting a fair shot in the organization. Legendary HFCanes moment.

 

[Canes]

You guys just wait, Austin Levi will be the next Derek Ryan like success story after he gets done playing Canadian college hockey

 

[My Special Purpose]

I don't get Futa. We're trying to make the GM spot about the NHL roster -- trades, free agents, etc. -- and get the other time-consuming aspects out of it, like scouting. And we're going for a guy who has no NHL GM experience who comes from the scouting side? Doesn't seem to jive up to me. I was going to be very unsurprised to hear Dean Lombardi's name, but Futa shocks me.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I don't get Futa. We're trying to make the GM spot about the NHL roster -- trades, free agents, etc. -- and get the other time-consuming aspects out of it, like scouting. And we're going for a guy who has no NHL GM experience who comes from the scouting side? Doesn't seem to jive up to me. I was going to be very unsurprised to hear Dean Lombardi's name, but Futa shocks me.

Just because he focused more in a certain area doesn't mean he won't be capable focusing on others. That will obviously be what the interview is about. As mentioned many places, he's been thought of as one of the GM's in waiting around the league, for better or worse. I'm interested to hear if you have any possible fits in mind. If you don't, no big deal, it's hard for all of us to know other than look at AGM's and former GM's. Just wondering if you have some guys in mind.

 

[JCLA]

I'm saying this without knowing much about the guy or the role he plays with the organization.

But I'd think there has to be some interest around the league in Paul Fenton, AGM of the Predators.

 

[Novacane]

At the end of the day, he’s just a candidate. I’m sure Dundon is trying to see what different mindsets are out there among candidates. Maybe he hears something he hadn’t considered before. Getting a full range of opinions seems to be pretty important to Dundon, so having a full range of candidates shouldn’t be a surprise either

 

[Canes]

As long as the GM comes from an outside organization that has won consistently, I don't really care too much.

Fresh blood and new eyes in this organization are sorely needed.

 

[Lempo]

I'm also a family member.

I'm not related to any of the players or anything like that, but I am a member of a family.

This thing would carry more weight in New Jersey.

 

[Unsustainable]

As long as the GM comes from an outside organization that has won consistently, I don't really care too much.

Fresh blood and new eyes in this organization are sorely needed.

There have been studies of injecting blood of young mice into older mice and the older mice living longer.

So it is a viable option to try of getting fresh blood (preferably that of teenagers and early 20s) in the team.

 

[Lempo]

There have been studies of injecting blood of young mice into older mice and the older mice living longer.

So it is a viable option to try of getting fresh blood (preferably that of teenagers and early 20s) in the team.

But then they can't cross the running water which is bad if the ice plant starts acting up again.

 

[cptjeff]

For all any of us know there could be family members/friends/players themselves on these boards. I doubt it but it is possible. The anonymity of it helps make any of our mouthing off a lot more acceptable than signing our real name with clear ties to the people who are actually involved. If my boss hears some rando say they suck it doesn't impact them or me. If my boss hears "AD Skinner's sister" says they suck, that's different.

Brett Pesce's dad has posted in here with his real name occasionally, FFS. I don't remember him posting anything remotely crazy, though. HF is very well known in the hockey world, and significant people do read it. Mostly for laughs, I'm sure, but nonetheless...

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Can confirm that there are players that read HF. And many league wide personalities (scouts, execs, etc).

My favorite HF moment (aside from the Sabers suck thing) has to be Bob McKenzie calling some moron an ass clown. They was legendary.

 

[cptjeff]

My favorite HF moment (aside from the Sabers suck thing) has to be Bob McKenzie calling some moron an ass clown. They was legendary.

Has anyone checked to see if that survived the various purges?