Anglesmith
Setting up the play?
I just remember him completely stifling us (and it seemed like it was always him making plays) when we played the Coyotes last year. I'm rather indifferent to the signing, but I don't think it's terrible.
Confirmed with Link: Flames sign Nicklas Grossmann [1 yr, $575k]
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Ace Rimmer
Stoke me a clipper.
tmurfin
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Bosnian Beast
Formerly Janko Unchained
Stop it.
I don't see all doom and gloom like a lot of you right now. There is a possibility that Kulak gets the start tomorrow, and that Grossmann signing is just insurance, especially with the inevitably of injuries hitting this team. I'm in the "let's wait and see" regarding this. It isn't the worst signing of the day. Half sarcastic...
Lunatik
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There is no cap space for Versteeg and Grossmann unless all of Vey, Bollig and Kulak are sent down.
Ace Rimmer
Stoke me a clipper.
He signed for basically league minimum.
With the Flames up against the cap, it's what was needed. Waiver claim could have exceeded that cap hit greatly.
According to my math (with Vey already assigned) the Flames are only over the cap by about $285,000. Only one of Bollig and Kulak should need to go (and really only on paper until Smid goes LTIR).
Or (just as likely) I've ****ed the math again.
Johnny Hoxville
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Grossmann's a big body, he was also drafted as a RW'er. We found our #1 RW'er. 
In all seriousness you can never have too many veteran d-men. He either plays when we need some extra beef/injuries, or in the pressbox like a good veteran.
In all seriousness you can never have too many veteran d-men. He either plays when we need some extra beef/injuries, or in the pressbox like a good veteran.
Grossmann's a big body, he was also drafted as a RW'er. We found our #1 RW'er.
In all seriousness you can never have too many veteran d-men. He either plays when we need some extra beef/injuries, or in the pressbox like a good veteran.
You can have too many garbage defensemen though
Flames Fanatic
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Grossman isn't a bad depth option to have in case of injuries and to sit in the press box while the young guns play top minutes in the minors. I'm okay with this. Kulak didn't run away with it, even though he played well at times.
I suspect we'll see Kulak up once injuries hit, which will inevitably happen.
I suspect we'll see Kulak up once injuries hit, which will inevitably happen.
Volica
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Just a depth 7.
I personally would be pissed having Wotherspoon or Kulak sitting in the presser for 10 game stretches a la Hartley.
Grossmann can sit there as the 7 and when we move Wideman or Engelland for a bag of pucks he can hold the fort while the kids come up etc.
Don't mind this signing for league minimum.
I personally would be pissed having Wotherspoon or Kulak sitting in the presser for 10 game stretches a la Hartley.
Grossmann can sit there as the 7 and when we move Wideman or Engelland for a bag of pucks he can hold the fort while the kids come up etc.
Don't mind this signing for league minimum.
Zirakzigil
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The difference is that you can find someone on waivers who can at least skate. I fully agree that one of the kids shouldn't be eating popcorn as the #7, but with guys like Wideman and Engs, the Flames blueline is slow as it is. There is/was better choices out there. I'm confident this contract is because of the "truculent" factor. It only takes one illness or minor injury, with no time for a call up, to have Wideman, Engs and Grossman as the Flames 4-6th defensemen. And you cannot tell me that is a good thing, especially against fast teams.
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The thing is, he doesn't have to be the 7th defenseman. He could swap out with Engelland, Wideman or Grossman.
I'd still rather give Kulak another year to prepare. Next season when Wideman, Engelland, Grossman, and possibly Jokipakka (due to expansion) are gone, Kulak will be more prepared.
SaintMorose
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On being fair to Grossman
What should our expectations be of a 3rd pairing Dman?
-How many goals against can they factor into while playing the lowest minutes?
-What types of mistakes are acceptable?
-What factors might they add to the team?
-How quick should they be able to skate (minimum) in the new NHL?
-Should they grow and have room to grow their game?
-What's the minimum standard for being able to make a first pass?
-How well can they recognize and control gaps against a rush?
-How well should they be able to retrieve a puck?
I think we have a legitimate reason to be pissed off that he's playing and at the way he played when you compare his skill set to a "decent" 3rd pairing guy. (Engelland, Gunnersson, Schlemko, Brodin)
Even when Grossman was playing "well" last night his partner would be bailing him out of slow retrivals where Edmonton could pressure him and his passing options before he got the puck. And awkward short passes cause he couldn't skate and open up lanes when looking up ice.
What should our expectations be of a 3rd pairing Dman?
-How many goals against can they factor into while playing the lowest minutes?
-What types of mistakes are acceptable?
-What factors might they add to the team?
-How quick should they be able to skate (minimum) in the new NHL?
-Should they grow and have room to grow their game?
-What's the minimum standard for being able to make a first pass?
-How well can they recognize and control gaps against a rush?
-How well should they be able to retrieve a puck?
I think we have a legitimate reason to be pissed off that he's playing and at the way he played when you compare his skill set to a "decent" 3rd pairing guy. (Engelland, Gunnersson, Schlemko, Brodin)
Even when Grossman was playing "well" last night his partner would be bailing him out of slow retrivals where Edmonton could pressure him and his passing options before he got the puck. And awkward short passes cause he couldn't skate and open up lanes when looking up ice.
My minimum regardless of whatever pairing is that they can skate and keep up with the play. Thats not Grossman. Even if all they know how to do is skate and play only defense and have zero breakout of zero offensive capabilitiesI'm ok with it.
SmellOfVictory
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Apparently Grossman was signed purely so the Flames could get the full benefit of Smid's LTIR (I also wonder if he was dressed so the league couldn't call shenanigans on the signing). We may not see him play at all in the near future. He may even get waived once Smid is officially LTIRed.
Anglesmith
Setting up the play?
FlamerForLife
Mon Seanahan
http://flamesnation.ca/2016/10/13/why-the-flames-signed-nicklas-grossmann
This article helps explain it.
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