OT: Fitness and Nutrition Part V

[Per Sjoblom]

To me it is dilemma, the more I read and learn about the food industry the more appalled I get. I love cooking and I love food but I can see myself ending up a vegan out of moral reasons. I get nightmares at times about the way we treat other animals. I also admire people who become vegans based on moral reasons.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

To me it is dilemma, the more I read and learn about the food industry the more appalled I get. I love cooking and I love food but I can see myself ending up a vegan out of moral reasons. I get nightmares at times about the way we treat other animals. I also admire people who become vegans based on moral reasons.

It's a leap of faith to make, but once you make it, you'll never look back. It's a better diet for the environment (food/land/water usage, climate change), animals, and you'll see health benefits as well (weight loss, acne disappears, more energy, better sleep, lower risk factor for cancer, stroke, and heart disease...).

The hardest part is figuring what to eat, but once you figure it out, it becomes easy and the figuring it out can be a fun food adventure in itself.

 

[groovejuice]

To me it is dilemma, the more I read and learn about the food industry the more appalled I get. I love cooking and I love food but I can see myself ending up a vegan out of moral reasons. I get nightmares at times about the way we treat other animals. I also admire people who become vegans based on moral reasons.

There are options, but they're often difficult to source and invariably expensive. You can buy grass fed, free range beef that's humanely raised and slaughtered.

I think most people who think about it are appalled at feed lots and their barbarism.

I'll assume that some countries will have stricter, more humane regulations, but I have no direct knowledge.

@Per Sjoblom, does Sweden not have more ethical laws?

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

There are options, but they're often difficult to source and invariably expensive. You can buy grass fed, free range beef that's humanely raised and slaughtered.

I think most people who think about it are appalled at feed lots and their barbarism.

I'll assume that some countries will have stricter, more humane regulations, but I have no direct knowledge.

@Per Sjoblom, does Sweden not have more ethical laws?

Besides, when well cooked they tend to taste a lot better anyway.

 

[groovejuice]

Besides, when well cooked they tend to taste a lot better anyway.

It's all but guaranteed that the higher the quality, the better the flavour.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

It's all but guaranteed that the higher the quality, the better the flavour.

Repeatable advice in life.

Happy wife, happy life. Happy animal, happy victual.

What the hell am I saying at this point.........

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Humane meat is a myth.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

Humane meat is a myth.

I know, I'm a monster.

 

[ECWHSWI]

It's a leap of faith to make, but once you make it, you'll never look back. It's a better diet for the environment (food/land/water usage, climate change), animals, and you'll see health benefits as well (weight loss, acne disappears, more energy, better sleep, lower risk factor for cancer, stroke, and heart disease...).

The hardest part is figuring what to eat, but once you figure it out, it becomes easy and the figuring it out can be a fun food adventure in itself.

I assume you recycle like crazy, drive an electric car, compost, and loads of other things for the environment.

 

[Cobra Commander]

I love how some random internet blogger is deemed as a source in regards to criticizing one of the all time intellectual giants of nutrition...

Those are Kriss' go to sources, internet bloggers and critics paid by the animal industry.

Throw a fact at him and he avoids it, or he twists what you say and then deflects.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

I assume you recycle like crazy, drive an electric car, compost, and loads of other things for the environment.

Well I do recycle, compost, and I don't have a car?

But you're making an appeal to futility fallacy

 

[ECWHSWI]

Well I do recycle, compost, and I don't have a car?

But you're making an appeal to futility fallacy

wrong.

but no worry, I get it, I eat some meat so it's automatic, all the posts I make are futile, false, childish, not based on reality, show no knowledge on anything, stupid, irrelevant, wrong, or something.



recycle, compost, woah! impressive! be proud!

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

lol you asked me you silly billy

 

[Cobra Commander]

On the animal cruelty topic, i'm just going to throw my opinion out there.

Go ahead and eat all the meat you want, it's your body and your money.

But if you chose to eat it, at least take a look a the documentary called "Earthlings", take a look at how these animals are treated, they have no rights like many other animals do, no voice, these animals are terrified and tortured. We who chose to must be their voice or nothing will ever improve for them. I love all the animals and never want to exploit them ever again.

If you're gonna support the animal industry, the least you can do is not be a hypocrite, know what you are eating.

 

[groovejuice]

Humane meat is a myth.

That's a philosophical debate not a health related one.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

Can't we all just talk about getting fit through food and exercise instead of being patronizing and talkin' fallacies?

Neither side is looking particularly agreeable or likeable at this stage in the discussion.

 

[ECWHSWI]

lol you asked me you silly billy

yup, and you're doint the bare minimum.

so yeah, you keep saying being vegan is a better diet for the environment (for sure, vegans are a minority), you just don't care much about it.

 

[Cobra Commander]

yup, and you're doint the bare minimum.

so yeah, you keep saying being vegan is a better diet for the environment (for sure, vegans are a minority), you just don't care much about it.

You bring pure garbage to this discussion.

Your arguments are the equivalent of what fart jokes are to comedy.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

That's a philosophical debate not a health related one.

How do you kill a healthy animal that doesn't want to die humanely?

Let's just say if I posted a video of a humane slaughter it would be flagged and removed... but if your interested look up the slaughterhouse footage from Ryding Regency in Toronto.

 

[groovejuice]

How do you kill a healthy animal that doesn't want to die humanely?

Let's just say if I posted a video of a humane slaughter it would be flagged and removed... but if your interested look up the slaughterhouse footage from Ryding Regency in Toronto.

Like I said.

 

[Cobra Commander]

Can't we all just talk about getting fit through food and exercise instead of being patronizing and talkin' fallacies?

Neither side is looking particularly agreeable or likeable at this stage in the discussion.

I guess you haven't read the thread edition title.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Like I said.

It's not a discussion, it's the reality. If it was humane, you would be okay with it happening to your dog.

 

[Per Sjoblom]

There are options, but they're often difficult to source and invariably expensive. You can buy grass fed, free range beef that's humanely raised and slaughtered.

I think most people who think about it are appalled at feed lots and their barbarism.

I'll assume that some countries will have stricter, more humane regulations, but I have no direct knowledge.

@Per Sjoblom, does Sweden not have more ethical laws?

I am not sure, I know Sweden was the first country in Europe to ban tail docking on dogs and later on pigs and they have stricter rules in Scandinavia compared to the continent in general. Don't think is that good though.

Still thinking about it makes me depressed, I tend to agree in general with vegans about meat but I am weak. I also believe that much of our meat culture is based on the Abrahamic religions where Man is the pinnacle.

 

[ECWHSWI]

I am not sure, I know Sweden was the first country in Europe to ban tail docking on dogs and later on pigs and they have stricter rules in Scandinavia compared to the continent in general. Don't think is that good though.

Still thinking about it makes me depressed, I tend to agree in general with vegans about meat but I am weak. I also believe that much of our meat culture is based on the Abrahamic religions where Man is the pinnacle.

not just meat, but also eggs, milk, cheese, and everything else animal related.

maybe true for the europeans and north-americans... but ahat about the peeps in Asia for example or all the "older" cultures who are/were heavy meat eaters ?

 

[Cobra Commander]

I am not sure, I know Sweden was the first country in Europe to ban tail docking on dogs and later on pigs and they have stricter rules in Scandinavia compared to the continent in general. Don't think is that good though.

Still thinking about it makes me depressed, I tend to agree in general with vegans about meat but I am weak. I also believe that much of our meat culture is based on the Abrahamic religions where Man is the pinnacle.

I think you are very close to being a Vegan, you should try it for a month, it's so easy and once all that animal hormone will be out of your body you will feel great. You can get there.