He clearly meant the season after mcdavid was injured...
He clearly was talking about all three seasons that McDavid has been an Oiler. It's plain as day in the post I quoted.
He clearly meant the season after mcdavid was injured...
He clearly was talking about all three seasons that McDavid has been an Oiler. It's plain as day in the post I quoted.
He clearly was talking about all three seasons that McDavid has been an Oiler. It's plain as day in the post I quoted.
Yes indeed. That's the whole problem with the missing playoffs two out of three seasons with McDavid. He only played half of one of those seasons. The problem with the Chia haters is they can't come up with a nuanced analysis. The world is black and white to them.
That's what feeds the missed 2/3 playoffs, Hall trade was an absolute loss. They ignore how poorly this "talented core" performed for a long time. Sadly that doesn't fit with their narrative so they point to what they see as obvious points when those points don't hold up under close scrutiny.
Its clear only to you because you are conflating separate posts into one. You like to argue, I get that, really I do.
With an in prime McD and Draisaitl in tow, yes. That expectation should be a minimum especially after failing to reach the playoffs 2/3 times while gifted with the best player on the planet. Chia inherited huge assets in addition to these in a lineup that just needed some time. But he trades the best players we had for middling return.
Just like they were wrong about the last few coaches and GMs...The good news is, Oiler fans are more often wrong then right on this site.
It is fair to mention this. I get that. But its unacceptable for the Oilers to have missed the playoffs by a wide margin THIS season. Which is obviously what is causing the concern, magnified by viewing how much of a difference Hall was able to make in Jersey.
Have to say though is in your comments of "how poor the core is" you are stretching as well. A core of McD, Hall, Drai, Nuge, Eberle, Nurse, Klef, was most definitely something to work with and that a lot of GM's would have been able to build around.
As Vegas has shown you can build a team without any star D in the lineup. You just have to know who to pick, how to supplement that D in team and system play and utilizing levels of D. A much better strategy found in Vegas that was available.
I think the majority had caught on by MacTavish that the team had no idea what they were doing. Go back to the MacTavish hiring thread and there wasn't a whole lot of happy campers. The Oilers moves had gotten obvious by that point as well.Just like they were wrong about the last few coaches and GMs...
I wouldn't say no reason. They benefited from a team willing to alleviate them of cap commitments. If owners and GMs can learn anything from the GKs season, it's that you can find quality talent on the cheap just by willing to take on unwanted contracts. Vegas got free picks and prospects.Vegas's draft rules were pretty bad but teams decided to trade them a bunch of extra **** for no reason.
If they'd just drafted an exposed player from every team they'd be missing most of the players who are carrying them.
I wouldn't say no reason. They benefited from a team willing to alleviate them of cap commitments. If owners and GMs can learn anything from the GKs season, it's that you can find quality talent on the cheap just by willing to take on unwanted contracts. Vegas got free picks and prospects.
The majority of fans caught on long before that. Funny how the more things change the more they stay the same. Nobody deserves to keep their job at this point. But I am looking forward to the eventual hiring of Anderson.I think the majority had caught on by MacTavish that the team had no idea what they were doing. Go back to the MacTavish hiring thread and there wasn't a whole lot of happy campers. The Oilers moves had gotten obvious by that point as well.
You're basically arguing my point for me. The optics on the trade can change from year to year, which is exactly why you can't judge this deal on a year-to-year basis. Oilers had a lot of things go against them last year. Regardless of Hall being here or not, Oilers would probably have been bad.
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Have to say though is in your comments of "how poor the core is" you are stretching as well. A core of McD, Hall, Drai, Nuge, Eberle, Nurse, Klef, was most definitely something to work with and that a lot of GM's would have been able to build around. That's even a damn good core that just needed some time. McD changed everything. The advent of Drai as a star player also changed the makeup of this team. Few clubs have 3 forwards as good as McD, Drai, Hall. That alone would have been a juggernaut.
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foolish assumption. based on what we saw for MANY years, hall, ebs, nuge were not a good set of players to build around. nurse, klef and drai still up in the air. don't get me wrong i used to love nuge and still like him but man do people overrate our talent. it's also like saying when we had gags, cogs nilsson, hemsky etc etc that we were stacked with talent. pffft.
i get people still pining over losing ebs and his goal production but man, he is not a great player or even a player that will shift your team more towards the likelihood of winning. people get confused by skill and ability to score goals. it doesn't always translate to being a net positive impact overall fpr the team. hall and ebs here in edmonton were definitely a net negative impact. esp hall.
i promise you if we go back in time and oust hall right off the bat (2010) and replace him with a solid veteran player with some leadership abilities who was "less talented" the oil would have been a better team.
Sigh, here is the tragedy. The pure heart drenching tragedy. So here we go, the oil suck for 10 years, forever. but they build up a core of McD, Hall, Nuge, Ebs, Nurse, Klef, Drai.... An amazing core that would win cups no doubt, perhaps be a better dynasty that the Hawks or Pens. In comes Chia...... ohhh, I want team toughness and chemistry, which I can't actually find. Lets trade Hall for a slow, ok, mid range D... Now lets trade Ebs for beans.... also all out picks, gone for Rienhart.
The Oilers top 3 defencemen missed a full season between them. I suspect had it not been for the injuries to the defence core overall that all three of Klefa, Larsson and Sekera would have all individually missed more time.
That's not exactly what I said. The defencemen in the core you mention are a below league average second pairing or a 4/5 on a decent team. Either people accept their was a chemistry component to the Hall trade or they don't. Hall didn't click with McDavid on the ice. Hall struggles to break 70 points on the Oilers second line, never mind 90. That's assuming he had the epiphany here that he did in New Jersey.
Eff Vegas. Talk about being gift MAF. Many of your fellow Chia haters have disdain for Chia's cup win because he was gifted a talented core and a 30-something goalie played out of his mind. Vegas was gifted favourable draft rules and a 30-something goaling playing out of his minds.
Griffin Reinhart played a game in the playoffs for us last year. Think there’s any chance Vegas even looks st him?1) I don't know how you can look at D injuries on this club without acknowledging that Klef is often out of the lineup/and/or not 100% due to many ailments. I wouldn't be betting the bank that this player is of stalwart ironman health at any point in his career. Also Sekera injury was known. You can't just add that up as a misfortune. Chia knew one of his top 4 D would be out half the season and failed to address that adequately.
2) Chemistry component? Nah, sorry, that's off the charts. I don't accept that Hall was traded for chemistry issues or that he didn't click with McD. That's pure fiction.
3) Vegas is critical to the overview because it confirms what a lot of us already recognized. That the cost of providing an effective D and accruing reasonable D was not a Taylor Hall. Vegas has a solid enough looking D platoon without giving up the ranch to get it. These were available guys. These were all D who were considered not good enough to protect.
1) I don't know how you can look at D injuries on this club without acknowledging that Klef is often out of the lineup/and/or not 100% due to many ailments. I wouldn't be betting the bank that this player is of stalwart ironman health at any point in his career. Also Sekera injury was known. You can't just add that up as a misfortune. Chia knew one of his top 4 D would be out half the season and failed to address that adequately.
2) Chemistry component? Nah, sorry, that's off the charts. I don't accept that Hall was traded for chemistry issues or that he didn't click with McD. That's pure fiction.
3) Vegas is critical to the overview because it confirms what a lot of us already recognized. That the cost of providing an effective D and accruing reasonable D was not a Taylor Hall. Vegas has a solid enough looking D platoon without giving up the ranch to get it. These were available guys. These were all D who were considered not good enough to protect.
^Invoking myth is a human method to explain the unexplainable. In short Mythology.
The stretches about Hall are fictional. Hall was and always has been a consummate pro. He was not a player that was lacking at any point, he was our best player, always. That he kicked it to the level of being a superstar is good on him. Those that realized his abilities saw that potential and he had already exceeded PPG play 2 previous seasons and was a still young player when traded.
now that's what I call "leadership" and being "consummate pro"...quitting on your team^Lets dismantle some more fiction.
Hall had 50pts in first 52GP before pulling the chute on what was yet another meaningless season.
now that's what I call "leadership" and being "consummate pro"...quitting on your team