Proposal: Fire Ken Holland 2023-2024 Edition

[BlackDogg]

Let's be honest he is already gone, this is all Jackson.

But why keep him at all now? To further piss off the fans?

 

[RandomGuy79]

But why keep him at all now? To further piss off the fans?

Because his buddies don't want to make him look bad.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

The strange part is they fired Woody and pretty much hired the exact same coach.

 

[Sra1974]

The strange part is they fired Woody and pretty much hired the exact same coach.

It sure does seem that way right now doesn’t it? I guess the other conclusion is that no matter who coaches this team the same fundamental Flaws still exist. And the There’s the new ones of McDrai struggling and the powerplay now being just average, and falling.

 

[centipede2233]

This is what happens when you’ve had incompetent management for over a decade. Because it’s never the GM’s fault, it must be the coach!

 

[Stoneman89]

I'm getting really tired of Holland trading away draft picks and prospects to get rid of his many mistakes. Looking like Brown and Campbell will be 2 more of those.

 

[FlameChampion]

I'm getting really tired of Holland trading away draft picks and prospects to get rid of his many mistakes. Looking like Brown and Campbell will be 2 more of those.

If the team is out of contention, they can probably just trade away players at the deadline so that Brown's cap hit doesnt carry over.

But yeah, Campbells going to be expensive. I cant see this team pulling the trigger on giving up 2 first round pick equivalents to move him. I think he will just get bought out in the summer.

 

[joestevens29]

I'm getting really tired of Holland trading away draft picks and prospects to get rid of his many mistakes. Looking like Brown and Campbell will be 2 more of those.

At this point I think they ride it out until the New Year if they can't make and progress or find decent deals that Jackson himself approves then you fire Holland after New Years.

Let Jackson run the team the rest of the year like Staios is doing in Ottawa.

Can't have Holland trying to save the year by blowing picks to fix his mistakes IMO.

Unless of course like I say something decent comes up.

 

[Stoneman89]

Holland just seems to be getting a free ride lately. He is the architect of this shyte. His team was simply not good enough to go past the 2nd round last year (goaltending mostly and going into the season thinking Vinny Desharnais and Philip Broberg were good enough to be in an NHL top 6) and he did nothing to address it.

 

[CrazyJoeDavola]

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

If nothing else it at least shows some accountability to their "friends" in the org. Jay Woodcroft was a convenient scapegoat and the team just got worse after he was fired.

If Ken Holland isn't involved in anything anymore then send him packing before he's moved elsewhere in the org. He hasn't earned the right to go out on his own terms.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

Grow a pair Katz.

 

[Hemsky4pm2]

This is what happens when you’ve had incompetent management for over a decade. Because it’s never the GM’s fault, it must be the coach!

Replace "incompetent management" with "incompetent ownership and management" - Katz and the OEG are the common thread since 2007. The worst part is that they will probably never sell. The best hope would be that some mega private equity firm purchases a majority share of the OEG and then starts running the hockey operations department like a normal business. I was encouraged when they hired Parkatti as their analytics head, but removing Woodcroft in such a reactionary fashion when he clearly wasn't the problem was a sign of same-old. I don't know that Jeff Jackson is a sea change. He seems to be just another "hockey man."

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Here's Ken Holland trying to build a contending team around two generational talents.

And let's be clear, he's not the only one that needs to be gone. A few more losses and they need to clean house. And that might include the newly hired POHO, especially if firing Woodcroft was his doing.

 

[centipede2233]

Replace "incompetent management" with "incompetent ownership and management" - Katz and the OEG are the common thread since 2007. The worst part is that they will probably never sell. The best hope would be that some mega private equity firm purchases a majority share of the OEG and then starts running the hockey operations department like a normal business. I was encouraged when they hired Parkatti as their analytics head, but removing Woodcroft in such a reactionary fashion when he clearly wasn't the problem was a sign of same-old. I don't know that Jeff Jackson is a sea change. He seems to be just another "hockey man."

Or if Katz takes the melnyuk route….

Aquilini was a horrible owner for the Canucks. But after years of incompetence leading to poor results, the brothers got involved and threaten francisco to take his toy away (Canucks) if he didn’t hire proven experienced people to run the hockey operations, and that’s where Rutherford came in.

 

[McShogun99]

Holland was technically fired behind the scenes when they hired Jackson. I think out of respect for him they're letting him hang around until the end of the season while Jackson has the final say on any decision.

 

[Stoneman89]

Holland was technically fired behind the scenes when they hired Jackson. I think out of respect for him they're letting him hang around until the end of the season while Jackson has the final say on any decision.

And that's just wrong, IMO. The guy has done more to hurt this organization than improve it. He's going to go out with his gold watch and huge retirement bonus after 5 years of leaving this team and organization in (incredibly) worse shape than his predecessor. I never thought that would be remotely possible but here we are. Arguably a worse defensive group than ever before, no goaltending, next to nothing for legit prospects, poor drafting, etc. He does not deserve any respect for what he's done. He can back to Detroit and bask in his respect from his days over there.

 

[McJadeddog]

Holland was technically fired behind the scenes when they hired Jackson. I think out of respect for him they're letting him hang around until the end of the season while Jackson has the final say on any decision.

Exactly. Holland is the GM in name only at this point. I can't believe that people don't understand this.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Exactly. Holland is the GM in name only at this point. I can't believe that people don't understand this.

So? He hasn't earned the right to ride off into the sunset.

Besides, this is the Oilers. You know he'll be shuffled elsewhere in the organization. For those that preach accountability the Oilers could show some by axing this tool.

 

[McJadeddog]

And that's just wrong, IMO. The guy has done more to hurt this organization than improve it. He's going to go out with his gold watch and huge retirement bonus after 5 years of leaving this team and organization in (incredibly) worse shape than his predecessor. I never thought that would be remotely possible but here we are. Arguably a worse defensive group than ever before, no goaltending, next to nothing for legit prospects, poor drafting, etc. He does not deserve any respect for what he's done. He can back to Detroit and bask in his respect from his days over there.

You realize that firing him doesn't DO anything to him right? He still gets all his money. Jackson is using this season to evaluate things, that much is pretty obvious. Whether he makes better decisions starting in the summer than Bobby Burgers did, is yet to be seen.

 

[Soundwave]

You realize that firing him doesn't DO anything to him right? He still gets all his money. Jackson is using this season to evaluate things, that much is pretty obvious. Whether he makes better decisions starting in the summer than Bobby Burgers did, is yet to be seen.

I'd fire him anyway. You need to show accountability exists, get rid of him, bring in an interim GM if need be.

 

[Da McBomb]

Fire that old man already and take the loser Owner with him. I'm starting to believe this team is cursed under Katz and will never win anything.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

You realize that firing him doesn't DO anything to him right? He still gets all his money. Jackson is using this season to evaluate things, that much is pretty obvious. Whether he makes better decisions starting in the summer than Bobby Burgers did, is yet to be seen.

If Holland sucks at his job he should be fired regardless of whether or not it actually changes anything.

Him, Nicholson and all the rest shouldn't see another cent.

 

[KlefDown]

Exactly. Holland is the GM in name only at this point. I can't believe that people don't understand this.

well in that case, we have an elite .930% goaltender in the pipes and a generational Dman, they're just not on the ice yet. I can't believe that people don't understand this.

 

[ConnorNova0929]

You realize that firing him doesn't DO anything to him right? He still gets all his money. Jackson is using this season to evaluate things, that much is pretty obvious. Whether he makes better decisions starting in the summer than Bobby Burgers did, is yet to be seen.

At least getting rid of him would provide some clarity. The Knoblauch hiring press conference showed how dysfunctional the organization is. They couldn't answer basic questions about the roles of assistant coaches.

Is Holland still making trade calls? Does the GM on the other side believe he is speaking to someone with authority to make a move? If he's not making the calls who is?

The front office appears like a gong show right now and if Holland is a figurehead GM then just rip off the band aid, remove him and make it official.