Fire Hakstol

[deadhead]

To make the system work:
1) you need at least one defenseman on every shift who can attack the O-zone (and responsible forwards who know when to cycle)
2) you need big forwards who can crash the net and set up screens
3) you need at least one playmaker and one shooter on each line.

Realistically, how many players in today's NHL can beat a goalie with a clear shot, and how much time do you get to shoot?
Sure, Laine, Boeser, a few others have killer shots, we used to have a guy like that every decade or so. Leach, MacLeish, Lindros . . .
But most goals are either perfect passes and shot before the goalie reacts or are shot through screens where the goalie doesn't see it or can't control the rebound.

Yes, if Voracek had an above average shot he'd be a 40 goal scorer, if TK develops one he'll become a 40 goal scorer, but we've seen too many open shots end up harmlessly in a goalie's belly or miss the net. So you have to manufacture goals in that case.

Patrick I think is going to be a serious scoring threat because he's going to grow into an immovable object once he works out a couple summers, and he has great hands, both strength and eye to hand coordination.
If Strome can skate well enough to make the NHL he may provide similar skills.

Who else?

 

[Beef Invictus]

So, per your description, Hak's system isn't going to work in the NHL unless it has a really stacked roster. I'm not sure that's a ringing endorsement.

 

[Jtown]

To make the system work:
1) you need at least one defenseman on every shift who can attack the O-zone (and responsible forwards who know when to cycle)
2) you need big forwards who can crash the net and set up screens
3) you need at least one playmaker and one shooter on each line.

Realistically, how many players in today's NHL can beat a goalie with a clear shot, and how much time do you get to shoot?
Sure, Laine, Boeser, a few others have killer shots, we used to have a guy like that every decade or so. Leach, MacLeish, Lindros . . .
But most goals are either perfect passes and shot before the goalie reacts or are shot through screens where the goalie doesn't see it or can't control the rebound.

Yes, if Voracek had an above average shot he'd be a 40 goal scorer, if TK develops one he'll become a 40 goal scorer, but we've seen too many open shots end up harmlessly in a goalie's belly or miss the net. So you have to manufacture goals in that case.

Patrick I think is going to be a serious scoring threat because he's going to grow into an immovable object once he works out a couple summers, and he has great hands, both strength and eye to hand coordination.
If Strome can skate well enough to make the NHL he may provide similar skills.

Who else?

I understand what hak is trying to do , and I understand what you are saying. However a few things. We are actually a pretty poor cycling team. That first line , we have coots , and giroux who is crafty on the boards but that is it.

2nd line is by far our best cycling team , they control the puck in the zone and wear out defenders who get bunched up and open up that bluelne. that is how you have to best utiilze hak's system and right now we are poorly designed to do so. I believe each line needs a winger with size, and a winger with puck carrying ability.

 

[Tripod]

To make the system work:
1) you need at least one defenseman on every shift who can attack the O-zone (and responsible forwards who know when to cycle)
2) you need big forwards who can crash the net and set up screens
3) you need at least one playmaker and one shooter on each line.

Realistically, how many players in today's NHL can beat a goalie with a clear shot, and how much time do you get to shoot?
Sure, Laine, Boeser, a few others have killer shots, we used to have a guy like that every decade or so. Leach, MacLeish, Lindros . . .
But most goals are either perfect passes and shot before the goalie reacts or are shot through screens where the goalie doesn't see it or can't control the rebound.

Yes, if Voracek had an above average shot he'd be a 40 goal scorer, if TK develops one he'll become a 40 goal scorer, but we've seen too many open shots end up harmlessly in a goalie's belly or miss the net. So you have to manufacture goals in that case.

Patrick I think is going to be a serious scoring threat because he's going to grow into an immovable object once he works out a couple summers, and he has great hands, both strength and eye to hand coordination.
If Strome can skate well enough to make the NHL he may provide similar skills.

Who else?

Oh...you forgot one.

You need a coach who can adapt on the fly and adjust to other teams changes. You need a coach who plays his best players the most minutes. You need a coach who doesn't bench his better players in favour of vets who keep getting caved. You need a coach who isn't afraid of pushing for a 2goal lead when you only have a 1 goal lead. You need a coach who can motivate. You need a coach who can actually make a difference DURING games by changing things. You need a coach who players want to win for. You need a coach who does not get out coached most games. And you really need a coach who can look at a situation, and be honest about it not working instead of being stubborn about trying to be right.

Does that describe Hakstol? Maybe.

 

[Jtown]

It took game 72 to figure out , that maybe he should bench Manning. 72 games to figure out that the worst player we have iced all year sans oduya may be hurting this team.

 

[baudib1]

Most NHL forwards can score off breakaways/2-on-1s, even Filppula can still do it. One of the things Knoblauch had them doing earlier in the year was really pushing on the PP and it resulted in some rush goals. They've gotten away from doing that.

 

[Jtown]

Most NHL forwards can score off the rush, even Filppula can still do it. One of the things Knoblauch had them doing earlier in the year was really pushing on the PP and it resulted in some rush goals. They've gotten away from doing that.

remember weal's first goal of the year. where has that been.

 

[Lindberg]

I'd love to know how many teams have :
"you need at least one playmaker and one shooter on each line."

I'd wager that to be zero. Having just three lines that can do that is expensive.

 

[FlyTimmo]

I don't blame Hakstol for having to play Lehtera. As I wonder how much Hextall's and subsequently Hakstol's hands are tied with his salary? I do blame Hakstol for his ridiculous assignments however.

 

[baudib1]

I don't know who's to blame but it's absolutely criminal that Lehtera played in 53 games this year. It's clear that there was some sort of organizational affection for Lehtera based on the Bill Clement comment.

Really guys, if you wanted someone who was strong along the boards, Oskar was always going to do that at a minimum.

 

[Tripod]

Maybe he is good?

 

[deadhead]

Lehtera started the year as the 13th forward, there was no great affection.
Leier could have kept him on the bench, but he's as soft as they come.
And Read, well, he's smart, but he's small and no longer fast.

We have a lot of scrubs at the end of the roster, whining about which scrub they play is a waste of energy.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yes, improving the team isn't worthwhile, we are aware of your stance.

 

[Tripod]

Yes, improving the team isn't worthwhile, we are aware of your stance.

And points don't matter....till they matter.

 

[Beef Invictus]

And points don't matter....till they matter.

And the problem with the late game collapses was that the players weren't in good enough shape. Until it was pointed out that would be the coach's fault, and now it's due to a lack of talent.

Never mind that the lack of talent is routinely emphasized for no reason at the end of games, with tonight being a rare exception. So it's still the coach's fault.

 

[The Rage Kage]

And points don't matter....till they matter.

And the juries still out on that Hak guy... need another decade and a few cup caliber teams before we can say anything for certain.

 

[freakydallas13]

Oh man, beet-head bungled the game in OT? My opinion on him will surely change since he was winning recentl......

In case anyone thinks otherwise, I still want this beet-headed rube fired, regardless of wins.

Oh. Huh. Imagine that.

 

[deadhead]

Yeah, if only he was a genius, he could have turned Mrazek into a consistent goalie, Laughton into a real center, Read into the player he was three years ago, . . .
This team has been the same team all along, a mediocre team with below average goalies that dragged them down.
If you really thing that playing Leier over Lehtera will make them 10 points better, send what you're smoking to Box 21245, . . .

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yes, as I've said, we know you're opposed to improving the team.

 

[baudib1]

How do you think upgrades happen? We're not getting McDavid and Karlsson in the offseason.

The roster improves with the addition of kids (Sanheim, Lindblom, NAK, Morin, etc) or a marginally better veteran (Read, some offseason signing).

Sanheim has been one of the best players on the team since his recall. A few weeks in the AHL didn't transform him from "worse than Manning/Hagg" to the No. 3 D man. He was always a better option.

Hakstol had these options available to him and chose wrongly. Lehtera and Weise will still be here next year. He still has the chance to make lineup mistakes.

 

[Van Buren Boy]

How do you think upgrades happen? We're not getting McDavid and Karlsson in the offseason.

The roster improves with the addition of kids (Sanheim, Lindblom, NAK, Morin, etc) or a marginally better veteran (Read, some offseason signing).

Sanheim has been one of the best players on the team since his recall. A few weeks in the AHL didn't transform him from "worse than Manning/Hagg" to the No. 3 D man. He was always a better option.

Hakstol had these options available to him and chose wrongly. Lehtera and Weise will still be here next year. He still has the chance to make lineup mistakes.

In today's NHL you don't upgrade through free agency. You do that by accumulating assets and either a) developing those assets b) using those assets in trades.

I like where we're sitting, we just need to remove some dead weight and this brain dead coach

 

[Psuhockey]

Yeah, if only he was a genius, he could have turned Mrazek into a consistent goalie

Maybe you don’t run Elliott into the ground by putting him on pace for the most starts in his career at the age of 32. Then maybe he doesn’t get injured and there is no need for Mrazek.

If you can’t admit he has screwed up with his goalies then you are either a troll or just a shill.

 

[deadhead]

Read isn't a marginally better player than Lehtera, just a different player.
And that's the problem, we need to bring in young players, free agents, trades who are real improvements.
The difference between Lehtera/Read/Leier/Weise is tiny or nonexistent (Read, 1 point in 11 games, Lehtera 7 points in 54 games).
Neither Filppula or Laughton should be playing center.
Your bottom six should at least be able to keep you in games.

Hakstol ran Elliott into the ground b/c Neuvirth wasn't healthy (surprise) and Stolarz wasn't available to call up.
Lyon clearly wasn't ready when he came up though he has improved the last couple weeks.

Sanheim is playing much better since he returned, would he have improved in the NHL? Who knows? Some do, some don't.
He also looks better with MacDonald, who for all his limitations, has played 531 NHL games,
Gudas 331
Manning 199
Ghost 212
Provorov 156
It would not surprise me to see them paired next season, while Myers gets more experience, and then Sanheim - Myers in 2019.
Gudas has been shaky this year, and his role going forward has become more of a question mark.

 

[Embiid]

Gudas has reverted to his mean....was only a matter of time.

 

[Psuhockey]

Hakstol ran Elliott into the ground b/c Neuvirth wasn't healthy (surprise) and Stolarz wasn't available to call up.
Lyon clearly wasn't ready when he came up though he has improved the last couple weeks.

The only problem with your explanation is that Neuvirth was healthy at times when he was still playing Elliott every game and he did the same thing the last two years before this season with Mason, indicating that it’s how he coaches and not any of the reasons you just cited.