Player Discussion Evander Kane - Part 4
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Rasmus CacOlainen
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We can still re-sign Kane rather easily - get 2 1-3mil goalies in instead of Lehner and The Chad (Ullmark and whoever else is available), give Sam the contract hes currently deserving - 2x3.25m bridge or thereabouts, buyout Moulson and I think thats enough. I wont mind Kane back and I wont mind trading him before the deadline if he gets us good pieces. I cant see us needing him for a playoff push this season so if the return is goos and helps our future Im open to trading rather re-signing him.
I get the trade Kane if he is gonna walk sentiment. It's logical.
Without kane out LW depth is zero. Even pouliot is gone.
But hey we have okposo on the right side.
Trading kane is logical to an extent but without him we are abysmal on that wing.
Without kane out LW depth is zero. Even pouliot is gone.
But hey we have okposo on the right side.
Trading kane is logical to an extent but without him we are abysmal on that wing.
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Rasmus CacOlainen
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Non of these two are sure things, especially Nylander.
UnleashRasmus
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You create more depth with an Evander Kane move. He's going to be looking at both term (6-8 years) and term (6.5 and up). Someone is going to trade for him. His off the field transgressions have been under control, and when you combine his ability to forecheck, poke check and the ability to skate with / without the puck someone will pay. Maybe not to the extent that the Duchene deal just accomplished, however you can get a very healthy return. Possibly a late 1st and a blue chip prospect. It truly depends on injury, a team looking to push it over the edge and a team going all in on the season in the second half.
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout_calculator/matt-moulson
Buying out Moulson will only save $1.33M next year.
The better approach would be trying to trade Moulson while retaining a portion of the cap hit.
There are a ton of moving parts to create space to sign Kane.
First, there is the question about what Kane would want.
Then there is Reinhart's RFA deal.
And then there is what to do in goal.
It's possible to fit Kane in under the cap next year. But, it won't be easy.
The toughest part for me is that Kane would want 6+ years at over $6M per.
Given how he plays, that will be another regrettable contract well before it ends.
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lol, if Moulson can't beat out Seth Griffith or Jordan Nolan for minutes he is untradeable. Even at 50%. Sorry to break it to you. Stashing him saves 1 million and pisses off the 'hockey crowd'; buying him out saves 1.33 at the cost of 0.67 the following. That cost is likely worth it considering all cap situations.
And Reinhart is doing us a favor showing no reason he deserves more than a 4 million dollar bridge at the moment. Yeah if you trade Reinhart for an ELC you will have cap space, but you don't trade Reinhart just for the cap space without getting fleeced.
Jim Bob
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Moulson + pick for a lesser pick to a team trying to get to the cap floor is an option that should be explored.
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Kane reminds me a lot of Drew Stafford 7-8 years ago.
He is not a difference maker. Use the money on defense. Stay the course. Trade him for the highest offer. Preferably anything that can improve our defense.
He is not a difference maker. Use the money on defense. Stay the course. Trade him for the highest offer. Preferably anything that can improve our defense.
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Neither of those 2 also play LW. Nylander plays predominately the right side and is a RH shot. Mittelstadt makes more sense to switch to wing with a LH shot but our team lacks a lot of lefties. He could stay at center too and give us a center spine of Eichel-Mittelstadt-ROR, thus allowing us to trade Reinhart or move him to wing. Then we have two gifted O-Lines similar to Crosby/Malkin (obviously those two are tremendous talents) and then a great 2-way option with ROR.
All of this also is dependent on what you said earlier, that they make it and thrive.
I'm no Kane fan... but this is awfully generous to Drew Stafford
Kane is more comparable to Vanek. A player who does so much wrong on the ice, but has a pure talent that results in goals.
Kane's pure talent is speed/skating
Vanek's pure talent was his hands/shot
Everything else about their games... was barely average to way below average.
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Kane is better, but I just get a similar feeling watching Kane as I did watching Stafford.I'm no Kane fan... but this is awfully generous to Drew Stafford
Kane is more comparable to Vanek. A player who does so much wrong on the ice, but has a pure talent that results in goals.
Kane's pure talent is speed/skating
Vanek's pure talent was his hands/shot
Everything else about their games... was barely average to way below average.
Signing Kane makes no sense at all for this team. If we were close it would be a different story. We should all hope Kane keeps it up. Get a 1st and maybe more.
Montag DP
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There are a lot of criticisms of Kane you could make, but I don't get how you can argue he's not a difference maker. How much worse would our record be without his goalscoring?
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Rasmus CacOlainen
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4mil dollar bridge is far too much for Sam's role in the team. If we bridge him, it won't be for anything more than 3.6-3.7 per for a couple of years.
You do realize Kane is 26 and has at least 4-5 good years in him? Now is the time to own him, in his prime. If we are not competing for something in 2-3-4 years time then they may as well shut the team down altogether.
Montag DP
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Kane is leading our team in G, tied for the lead in P, and leading in PPG. I recognize that "pointz" isn't everything, but it's absurd to say he's not a difference maker.
Rasmus CacOlainen
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Yes, problem? 10% of Jack's contract is 1.1m. 10 for Jack is fair. 11.1 for Jack is far too much.Huh??? A difference of less than 10% is far too much?
... oh also 10% of the cap is 7.5m. Is that nothing to you?
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Rasmus CacOlainen
The end of the Tank
I'm not sure Theodore alone returns Kane and I'm not sure Vegas is the right trade partner in the first place. They are not looking to be contenders now and are looking for younger pieces. Look at the return Duchene got. He's not that much better asset than pre-extended Kane. I think we could get a 1st and someone just below Theodore's level. What other good near NHL-caliber D prospects are out there?
